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it does represent most of israel though.
I mean his "actions" in gaza has 85% rating in israel and alot of other 15% is that he doesn't do enough.
Same for Americans. There are some good ones in there.
Actually Canadians are from a completely different country
The very belief that the decisions of the powerful few are a reflection of the opinions of the people as a whole is how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place...
on a sidenote how's this format a meme, it's just weird to me
I really wish this didn’t need to be clarified every few days. Thanks, zionists and white supremacists!
How can I tell decent Jewish organizations from those who actively support genocide?
Legitimately, the fact that they're an American org will usually be a fair indicator.
The zionist movement fell flat on its face in the US during the foundation of Israel, so most pro-palestinian jewish activism will be based out of the US as well.
This dynamic has intensified enough since that initial split that Israeli Judaism has actually taken on fundamentally different qualities from American Judaism, to the point where some scholars would consider them separate denominational groups.
It's also fostered enough bad blood that a frequent dismissal of Israelis when hearing of Jews who oppose the settlement project is to say "they must just be stupid Americans."
They legit try to do the "they aren't authentic!" bit other old worlders and Latine folks will whip out when putting down their American cousins for not being identical to them, except with the Israelis it's even funnier because bitch you ain't where you came from either, that was literally the whole point of this great displacement project y'all whipped up!
Read what they and their representatives publish and post on official social media accounts.
Those who support the genocide in deed are almost never shy about doing so with words too.
Anyways, Jewish Voice For Peace are the gold standard in accurate naming and one of the best anti war crime organizations in the world, so that's at least one right there 🙂
Israel's democratically elected right wing government.
They violate human rights, it doesn't really matter to me if they are elected.
Im saying its not just the government to blame, the people of israel are also responsible.
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The US had Trump for 4 years and are threatening to do it again, so we don't have a finger to point.
Yeh, and I'd say he's fairly representative of the US.
I'm sorry but i just don't agree with that.
Even if 70% voted for trump, the other 30% are good people and don't deserve to be thrown in with the fascists.
No, not being a magat does not make you a good person by default.
There a plenty of people that would vote for a slightly more palatable republican. Or trump if he wasn't coming for them personally.
Like I know plenty of people who are immigrants or descendents of immigrants who would be all for purging trans people, restricting women's rights to abortion etc. But won't vote Trump because of how anti immigrant/ racist he is.
But, in that hypothetical, it would be true to say that 70% of Americans support fascism. Which is unpleasant to have to accept.
I learned at the Brexit referendum that 52% of my countrymen are so racist they'd wreck their own economy to reduce immigration. I have to live with that. I live in a racist country.
That (and the trump election actually) was only possible with a massive amount of disinformation and populism. I don't think everyone that voted like that was properly informed.
Counterpoint: Bollocks though. Most of the disinformation was to appeal to people's desire for authoritarianism in Trump's case, and border control in Brexit's. With plenty of bleedover, of course, because it's all from the same playbook.
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... Yep... And we repeat that sentiment for Hamas.
Yes, thank you!
Thousands of copies need to be airdropped over Capitol Hill by helicopter.
You know, it's that same right wing government's hasbara for the 70 years to confuse the difference between an Israeli, a Jew, and a Zionist so they could use antisemitism as a cudgel and the Shoah as a shield.
FINE: If I'm not allowed to criticize Israel without fixing antisemitism first, then Israel can't have any more weapons or cover in the UN until they solve race relations in the US.
The current right wing government also doesn't represent every citizen of Israel either, but it is ok to use 'Israel' as a shorthand for the actions of the current right wing government when the actions are a continuation of decades of similar colonialism and the government is in power due to how the majority of the population voted.
So hatred against everyone in Israel is also wrong, but saying Israel is committing genocide doesn't require saying it is the current government.
This meme should say "The actions of Israel does not represent the will of all Jews,,,"
Edit: I expect everyone who down voted also refrains from using Russia, China, or the United States and other names of countries when making criticisms for consistency. "Russia didn't invade Ukraine, the current Putin led government did."
This is why I try to specify that my complaints are about Netanyahu or the IDF.
I clarify my complaints are about Israel, the state, not Jewish people who do not live in the country.
You cannot have Netanyahu or the IDF without Israel existing.
And the Zionists.
I’m a little fuzzy on exactly what Zionism is, so I just don’t talk about it, rather than saying something accidentally racist, and/or making an ass of myself.
Zionism is basically the belief that Jewish people deserve to own Palestine/Jerusalem ("Zion") and that non-Jews should be ethnically cleansed from "Zion" (the Nakba)
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I like this approach. I wish more people would be honest about the limits of their arguments instead of just saying whatever they think will help them 'win'.
Thank you. It’s the result of hard earned experience!
Someone correct me if im wrong, but Zionism is Isreali radical nationalism, their primary goal is the creation of a Jewish ethno-state in current isreal and palestine.
The Youtuber Shaun has a great video going through the history of the conflict and Zionism: https://youtu.be/3xottY-7m3k
You are mostly there. One of the most important notes is that the project is settler colonial, and it is also helpful to point out that zionism is older than Israel, and it has been around for over 100 years.
+1 on that Shaun vid, it’s great
Yea sorry, the creation of an ethno-state in palestine through colonialism. I did not know that its older than isreal though, good to know.
And shauns vids are top tier lol.
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And opposing those actions is not antisemitic.
We take those two things together as truth and we are getting somewhere.