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Before the 1960s, it was really hard to get divorced in America.

Typically, the only way to do it was to convince a judge that your spouse had committed some form of wrongdoing, like adultery, abandonment, or “cruelty” (that is, abuse). This could be difficult: “Even if you could prove you had been hit, that didn’t necessarily mean it rose to the level of cruelty that justified a divorce,” said Marcia Zug, a family law professor at the University of South Carolina.

Then came a revolution: In 1969, then-Gov. Ronald Reagan of California (who was himself divorced) signed the nation’s first no-fault divorce law, allowing people to end their marriages without proving they’d been wronged. The move was a recognition that “people were going to get out of marriages,” Zug said, and gave them a way to do that without resorting to subterfuge. Similar laws soon swept the country, and rates of domestic violence and spousal murder began to drop as people — especially women — gained more freedom to leave dangerous situations. 

Today, however, a counter-revolution is brewing: Conservative commentators and lawmakers are calling for an end to no-fault divorce, arguing that it has harmed men and even destroyed the fabric of society. Oklahoma state Sen. Dusty Deevers, for example, introduced a bill in January to ban his state’s version of no-fault divorce. The Texas Republican Party added a call to end the practice to its 2022 platform (the plank is preserved in the 2024 version). Federal lawmakers like Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) and House Speaker Mike Johnson, as well as former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, have spoken out in favor of tightening divorce laws.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

This should require anyone working on these laws that is divorced to be retroactively married to their ex-spouse automatically.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago (3 children)

No, because they had a valid reason to get divorced, unlike everyone else.

Just like their abortion.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

We're going to have to make sure the boyfriends and girl friends of our kids are all sluts. We will require bdsm, ropes, leather. rubber, nudism, open marriage, 12" penises, DDD boob jobs, LGBTQA of some kind, etc. if they possess at least 3 of these then we're good to go. Any of them bring up God's of any kind they get the F out.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Murica - the land of free or something.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The solution seems simple. Don't marry and don't have kids. Eventually America dies off and the rest of the world closes the book on the experiment that failed.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No. The batshit crazys are having lots and lots of kids. They want sane people to leave, to die off.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

At this point, I'm happy to end my bloodline. People are insufferable enough already, i don't want my kids growing up with the product of even more ridiculous nutjobs

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 6 months ago (10 children)

This is what you really NEED to know about abolishing no fault divorce:

And that will cause huge problems, especially for anyone experiencing abuse. “Any barrier to divorce is a really big challenge for survivors,” said Marium Durrani, vice president of policy at the National Domestic Violence Hotline. “What it really ends up doing is prolonging their forced entanglement with an abusive partner.”

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

If they abolish no fault divorce it WILL cost lives

That is the bottom fucking line. There is no argument against divorce that exists that can prevent that. Wait no there is, oh golly they will make exceptions for abuse. That sure fucking sounds familiar. Hmm like maybe it was the concession 'pro-life' would make for abortion.

And look how that turned out.

Before roe v wade was overturned they were all about protecting the abused, somewhat, with caveats. Kinda like they are talking about divorce here innit?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If they abolish no fault divorce it WILL cost lives

"Probably, but those are lives of women, not people."

-Conservatives who support this shit

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Stop you're making me cry. It's so "funny cuz it's sad" it went past the point of being funny.

you're not wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They conservatives do love any and all kinds of oppression and slavery!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The thought The Handmaid's Tale was a "How-to" guide.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

At long last we have created the Torment Nexus from the classic sci fi novel "Don't Create the Torment Nexus".

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hope them publicly advocating for this backfires spectacularly.

"First they game for gay marriage, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't gay. Then they came for the abortions, and I didn't speak up because I didn't need an abortion. Then they came for divorce, and...fuck, that might be a real a pain in the ass. Maybe I won't vote for these asshats."


some people, hopefully...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"First the came for abortions, and we made a lot of noise but got ignored. Then they came for Divorce and... fuck, maybe we should do more than just make noise."

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Seriously, U.S., get your shit together. This crap spills out all over the world thanks to cultural imperialism (Hollywood etc.), no beuno.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

TW: Suicide/Death/Domestic Violence

Wolfers and Stevenson traced suicide rates before and after divorce reform and found a statistically significant reduction of nearly 6 percent in the female suicide rate following a state's change to unilateral divorce. There was no discernible change in male suicides. Looking longer term, they found close to a 20 percent decline in female suicides 20 years after the change to no-fault divorce.

The percentage of husbands abused by their wives increased in the 11 states with unchanged laws also, yet remained the same in no-fault divorce states. For women, the change was greatest: Women victims of spousal violence declined by 1.7 percent from 12.8 percent in the reform states in the same period that spousal violence against women increased 2.5 percentage points in the non-reform states.

No-fault Divorce Laws May Have Improved Women's Well-being

[–] [email protected] 118 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"It harms men."

So does rat poison. You walk back no fault divorce get ready for a return of mysterious deaths of shitty men.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The absolute correct energy for this bullshit.

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