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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Sure. Front load helping our a tyrant? Checks out. How are we still treating with this grifter? WTF?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Aaalright, where are you? Where are all the voices yelling "Genocide Joe"? Like, it's fine, you have your opinion. But also like Exhibit A: Trump literally saying he'll do this shit and worse. I want to hear your arguments. I'll even be nice in my replies. Explain to me how Trump is a better choice. Or how not voting somehow makes sense.

I am legitimately curious. Expand my mind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

In the 1960s black people were much more actively discriminated against on a systemic level, practically prevented from voting in many of the states in the southern United States. The president at the time was the Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson, and was facing the much more racist Republican challenger Barry Goldwater.

While the black vote was suppressed in the south, there was a significant voting block in the north of black people and their allies whose main issue was civil rights. Civil rights leaders, including Martin Luther King, met several times with LBJ, who coaxed them to tone down the direct action protests and criticism until after the election, as he claimed to we willing to negotiate with them once the threat to his power was diminished.

Instead, civil rights protests increased. The leaders, probably correctly, determined that once the election was over, they would have less leverage. Even though losing the election meant having an enemy in the white house, having a 'friend' who continued to delay essential concessions did not further their cause. People were actively being murdered by the 'Jim Crow' apartheid regime, and delays and half-measures were not sufficient.

Thanks to the pressure of millions of people engaged in direct action and open criticism of the president, the Civil Rights Act was passed before the 1964 election. LBJ won by a landslide due to the popularity of the legislation, but suffered the severe political consequences Democrats were trying to avoid through their strategy of placation and delay. The 1964 election was the last where Democrats got the majority of the white vote, and electing politicians in the southern states became much more difficult for their party.

Palestinian Americans and their allies now face a similar situation. Democrats will continue to ignore the genocide in Gaza unless there are real political consequences to their actions. While Donald Trump would be a significantly worse candidate, the logic of a two-party system requires that they be willing to risk a worse political situation if they are to hold any political power at all.

Civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King are regarded as heroes today, but at the time, they were reviled by both Democrats and Republicans as a force of chaos that acted out of ignorance of the political system. If LBJ had lost the election to Goldwater, perhaps their legacy would be considered differently. But it would not change the fact that the cause they were fighting for was just, and they were able to wield political power in a system that was designed to marginalize them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Democrats will continue to ignore the genocide in Gaza unless there are real political consequences to their actions.

You have a much higher opinion of the intelligence of the Democratic Party than I do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Since you are using the Civil Rights Movement as an example, are you able to point to parallels in the current situation beyond Gaza/Ukraine = Civil Rights situation? Who is the relevant MLK successor? Does this situation create a strong enough base to mimic the support the Civil Rights Movement did? Are there enough voting-aged people who are against the war and the genocide to tip the balance, and are we sure they won't choose to not vote as a way to further show support of Gaza? To add to the previous question: Does a war or a genocide on the other side of the planet have the same impact as the pain and suffering which caused to stand leaders such as MLK, Roy Wilkins, and John Lewis?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

These leading questions sound like someone trying to gish-gallop and not the kind one would expect from someone seeking to expand their mind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They're relevant. If someone is going to make a comparison between two or more things they should be ready to provide answers to inevitable questions. I asked them because I'm not as schooled on Gaza and Ukraine in reference to the Civil Rights Movement. I am legitimately curious and intrigued. I don't know how to ask them differently.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't see the questions as relevant or inevitable. No-one owes you answers. Perhaps you should elaborate why each or these questions are relevant, and someone else may be willing to engage with you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is yet another reason to vote for Joe Biden.

On a side note, to the Ukrainians, you might notice we do not mention the war or talk about it (including myself), but I am here to let you know that it warms my heart that you guys are fighting and I will contribute to keep the aid going. It might not be obvious, but we Americans still support you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

One more reason to not elect him but exile his ass to putinland

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Via an EM accelerated sled. No parachute or guidance systems though - just an 80 year old seatbelt. Thoughts and prayers though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Make it strong enought to circle the Earth, so Putin gets a disgusting orange pulled pork delivered to his front door.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I will not be voting for any person who does not support Ukraine, even if it means straying from my normal political views.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Fuckin orange turnip, I really wish reagan was alive, as much as he was a piece of shit, he at least didn't trust the russians...and here we are with "his" party now literally sucking russian cock.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Reagan is the reason why there's such a huge wealth gap and practically no more middle class. Fuck him.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

If Reagan's teleprompter had told him to trust Russians, he would have trusted Russians. This was a guy who cut a deal with Iran - the country holding a bunch of US citizens hostage - to not release those hostages until after his inauguration.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Gentle reminder also that Trump's biggest campaign contributor is the owner of the Dallas Mavericks(Miriam Adelson), supporter of the war against Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

There is no chance whatsoever that he supports the war on Palestine more than Biden does, so I'm not sure what this comment is trying to say.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Trump also supports Putin and totally wasn't getting ready for Trump Tower Moscow if he lost the election..

Don't forget he was also impeached for illegally upholding military funding for Ulkraine prior to Russia's invasion, after failing to have Zelenskyy falsely implicate Biden.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Can we be not retarded enough to avoid electing a convicted felon to the presidency?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Felon-title is trumping (no pun indented, maybe a little) the President-title.

What can we (the rest of the world) expect? The worst, as we all have a stake here, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

*34 Time convicted felon.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Narrator: They were retarded.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

can we please post our correct geopolitical positions without using ableist slurs

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I agree, but I wonder why "dumb", which refers to a person who can't speak, never got the same treatment?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Very well. The specific word is not significant to my comment and was not intended to refer to a specific class of people, so it has been changed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

You’ve got a lot to learn about the world’s perception of the US and more importantly Americans

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Nope, that would mean you support genocide. Sorry.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They really only like him because he's normalizing being publicly racist. None of his followers can list any of his "accomplishments" when he was president.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

My brother has a lot of dumb redneck friends. The racist thing and whatever else Fox spews out is all they care about. Hell, only a few of them listen to Fox news and the ones that don't just listen to whatever the person who watches it says. They're so fucking stupid that I feel the embarrassment they should feel whenever I'm in ear shot of their bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

We can try, but there are A LOT of really dumb people here

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

They’re too busy spreading misinformation about vaccines on the other side of the world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sorry, we are too busy covering up MLK and RFK assassinations and other slightly left wing folks to busy ourselves with this

Maybe ask the kkk? Oh right, they’re in our back pocket so that’s a non starter. Hmmm, I wish we could help

Edit: sorry for bad recommendation fairly certain kkk supports Trump but kkk is still in our back pocket. No, correction: pants suit, right hand pocket

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Mind-boggling that so-called "patriots" would vote for this Putin bootlicker

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nah. They’ve always been dumber than dogshit. They’re just doing what their daddy tells them to do, as ever. Reagan could have told them to be gay and they’d scramble to smoke dicks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I would pay so much to have been born into that timeline.

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