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The company’s rollout of its new driverless cars has gotten off to a wobbly start – and rival Waymo remains well ahead

After years of promising investors that millions of Tesla robotaxis would soon fill the streets, Elon Musk debuted his driverless car service in a limited public rollout in Austin, Texas. It did not go smoothly.

The 22 June launch initially appeared successful enough, with a flood of videos from pro-Tesla social media influencers praising the service and sharing footage of their rides. Musk celebrated it as a triumph, and the following day, Tesla’s stock rose nearly 10%.

What quickly became apparent, however, was that the same influencer videos Musk promoted also depicted the self-driving cars appearing to break traffic laws or struggle to properly function. By Tuesday, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) had opened an investigation into the service and requested information from Tesla on the incidents.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

"LiDAR is lame!"

Not even inanimate objects are safe from his projection.

[–] [email protected] 121 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Musk maintains that camera-only technology is the most “human” way to approach self-driving, since people use their eyes to navigate the road.

Newsflash for you, Elon. Most people are terrible drivers. We should be striving to do better as a society, not imitate something that already sucks.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

He also claimed he wanted to make self driving safer than humans. You can't do that well if the car has the same visual limitations a human has.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (9 children)

When Autopilot started I would hear people joke about how it couldn't drive in bad weather where people could. They seem to miss the point that when the computer begins to lose information needed to navigate, it's going to stop driving. People lose information and they keep going. One of these is safer.

Of course if Elon had thrown everything at the car to make it have information even in terrible or odd conditions, there'd be more merit in claiming those cars are safer than humans. But between genius brain (however much there is) and narcissist, the latter won out in doing it his way because others were doing it the obvious way.

The safest roads would be fully automated and tapped into each other. We wouldn't even need lights at intersections. A hybrid mix of human/computer traffic is always going to be dangerous.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago (12 children)

What’s funny here is that Tesla used all of the Tesla owners driving habits to train.

One thing this means is that when it’s “socially acceptable” to go +20mph it’s going to. Not that that makes it right, but what it also means is that they didn’t sanitize their data.

So think of the worst Tesla driver you know. They helped train FSD.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean the data IS sanitized, but not to the level that would have required certain human things to not happen.

Part of what's led to its improvement over the years is better going through the data and removing bad things or properly labeling them.

That left turn that was cut to short makes it into the first set of training as a cursory look at it seemed okay, and then they see that cars are cutting turns to short. So they go through the data again and try to find examples of it and then label them properly so it doesn't think it's okay.

But that's not a simple process, and then trying to only have certain good behaviors gets really hard because they're actually very uncommon in normal driving because the bad behavior is socially acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can establish rules in top of the neural net output. No acceleration higher than 0.3g. No speed higher than the limit + 5 (if you know what the limit is, which teslas struggle with to this day). No running of red lights.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

The worst Telsa driver I know. Hum. That’s a tough competition.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Every time I see this I chuckle regardless of how many times.

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