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Across America, clean energy plants are being banned faster than they're being built (www.usatoday.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Across America, clean energy plants are being banned faster than they're being built::The clock is ticking toward a deadline to meet renewable-energy standards. But USA TODAY's analysis finds local governments banning wind turbines, solar plants.

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[+] [email protected] -21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

...but like, so do fossil fuels, you just don't immediately see it. It's lead to so much contamination and death you'll never directly witness and is actively destroying everything vs "oh no, that pretty hill!".

[+] [email protected] -11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

considering wind energy is very unreliable, only working when it’s windy.

Saying "no" isn't the solution to this. Solar and wind work together to cover each other's flaws. The wind is often blowing when the sun isn't shining, and vis-à-vis.

At the next level, you can use historical weather data to calculate how much things will be in a lull where neither are producing. That gives you an idea of how much storage you need to cover it. The details depend on the region, but this is often much, much less than detractors are letting on.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well it does kill birds.

No they don't, birds neither like the noise or turbulence so they avoid them. Skyscrapers kill birds. This is decades-old and disproven FUD I hope you at least get money for peddling fossil fuel lobby talking points.

And “oh no that pretty hill” will be ruined for all eternity, including future generations.

Oh no! The Hill!

What about the fucking rest of nature and the planet. Is that hill even high enough to still be above water in 100 years. Is it going to get eroded away by massive rainfall.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 9 months ago (9 children)

I wanna make energy without fucking anything up.

"Yeah no, stop that right now. It's illegal."

Who the fuck does this? What's going through their head to make them think there's any justification? How is there multiple idiots collaborating well enough to get in the way!?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Windmill cancer.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I had my conservative professor uncle tell me we can't use windmills because "they use up all the wind."

imagine having to explain to your elders that wind isn't some finite resource.

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[+] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Cry more. I don't want the climate change to kill everyone.

Edit: also if we're complaining about ugly, let me make a list. I'll start at people rolling coal and end at the fat acceptance people in my fit girls porn.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Zero farmers want to ban wind. They want to lease their land to power generation companies. They do it all the time, especially where they just graze cattle or sheep. They can do both at the same time.

Farmers own land to make money, not look at it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

I used to think this, then my sister moved out to the country. The farmers and others who live out there bitch and bitch and bitch about the windmills because they look ugly, and all blink red lights synchronously at night and it’s creepy.

I think they just don’t like change, which is why they live in the middle of nowhere. I’m also fully in favor of windmills despite hearing their frustrations, I don’t have to live out there. They’ve never bothered me when I visit though.

But for farmers who don’t graze their animals near the windmills but instead plant crops, the lease doesn’t always cover the loss of cropland apparently. Because they can’t plant within a radius of the thing.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Some are NIMBYs. Most, however, are alt-right reality-hostile whackadoodles who see any “renewable” energy generation as a liberal plot to destroy America.

These people actively think that renewables will harm America.

How do I know this? We have the same crazies up here in Canada. Some of them, despite having been born here, routinely confuse the two countries, spouting US legislation - like the constitutions and amendments - in “defense” of their “freedoms” being “infringed upon” by things like wind turbines.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I mean, this isn't so bad. While the rest of the world lives in a solar punk future, the US could be like some secluded cyberpunk bubble that would give many scholars in the future stuff to write their thesis about, while also providing a good source of memes for the rest of enlightened humanity.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago

Awful, we really need some kind of federal fast track for these sorts of badly needed projects that cuts through the NIMBY bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago (6 children)

OMG this is the dumbest thing.. In NY the town of Florida banned a windmill on waste property, then in racquet lake where they get all sorts of outages they stopped a battery from being installed because they might catch fire. These were BYD LFP batteries, and they were referencing LG chem batteries catching fire in Arizona as the reason.

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