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Israeli military rescues four hostages alive from Gaza, including Noa Argamani (www.nbcnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

they could have had all the hostages if they didn't reject the ceasefire proposal......

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 11 months ago (42 children)

It's curious they always highlight the

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

I'm glad more hostages are free, but for me it doesn't sit well the result... 200 people dead to save 4. At least the IDF are improving, luckily this time they didn't kill the hostages.

Who is organizing these rescue operations? Homelander?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But to the IDF the 200 people killed weren't people. So the math maths.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Hamas is already willing to agree to the US peace plan, so the only thing preventing the rest of the hostages making it to their homes is political will, and with much less risk.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Yo mods why you remove my comment?

Edit: Essentially asking the same questions as JayTreeman.

Edit 2: It appears my comment was reinstated after I provided a source to counter the misinformation report. I would expect better of the mods to do some due diligence before just censoring comments. There is enough of this in the MSM and it does nothing to further allow people to see what is happening. Thank whichever mod undid the action, hoping it was little_cow but not sure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mod log says rule 6.

Idk which one out of the many options of rule 6 they judged it though

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The only plausible one of those was possibly low effort, although I’d obviously disagree.

Edit: Can anybody check the mod log?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

The Israeli military had US support in rescuing four captives from Gaza in a "complex daytime operation" in Nuseirat that killed over 200 Palestinians.

The Palestinian government media office in Gaza said the death toll from Israel's attack on central Gaza had reached at least 210, with 400 more wounded.

The Palestinian health ministry confirmed that a large number of dead and wounded Palestinian had arrived at Al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital. It said that most of them were children and women.

"I came from the camp to here in the hospital on foot. I can't describe how we fled. I saw dead children and body parts strewn all over as we fled. No one was able to assist them. I saw an elderly man killed on a animal-drawn cart.

"Nuseirat was being annihilated. It was hell."

210 people killed 4 rescued. Mission accomplished everyone. Don't forget to thank Biden for his direct military involvement in this operation.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 11 months ago (33 children)

I'm struggling with everything on this article. On the one hand anytime a hostage has been freed, that's good news. On the other, at what cost. 40 000 dead. That's the easy stat. Amputations are also incredibly high. Most of them kids and performed without anesthetic. This is the first time the IDF has rescued hostages. So I'm sitting here with my initial feeling of 'oh, that's good news' ,and then I think about the wider picture and context, and it doesn't seem so good anymore.

[+] [email protected] -37 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Maybe the Palestinians themselves devalue their own lives compared to Israeli lives. Just look at when they agreed to a ceasefire and traded hostages for prisoners: each hostage was worth multiple prisoners released by Israel.

This is also noticeable when Hamas use their own population as human shields, exemplified by when they hide their soldiers and weapons in hospitals and schools. Or when they blend in with civilians on purpose by not using any combatant uniform like the IDF do. They really don't care for their own civilians. These are only useful for acting as human shields and, if they're killed or injured, strike a pose for NatGeo-style photos in their attempts to appeal to western sentiment.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Maybe the Palestinians themselves devalue their own lives compared to Israeli lives.

You should just stop right there. If your logic depends on saying "they actually don't value their lives as much as others" then please stop and ask "what the hell is wrong with yourself?". People who think like this probably value their life least of all. /s

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any independent verification that Hamas has been using hospitals and schools for bases, but I'm positive that there's been debunked Israeli reports that schools and hospitals have been used as Hama's bases.

Same thing for human shields. IDF admits to using Palestinians as shields. To my knowledge, there's no Hamas equivalent.

This 'war' isn't about Hamas anyways. If it was, there wouldn't be 1000 people killed in the west bank. Hamas isn't in the west bank. Why is the IDF letting people kill Palestinians in the west bank?

[+] [email protected] -9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Likewise, there's no independent verification when the Hamas minister of healthcare periodically announces the number of casualties, but the media tends to take it at face value as it was the crystalline truth. When this is most likely an inflated number to keep Israel in the worst light possible, and to exert political pressure for the USA to stop supporting Israel with weapons of war. It's all with the intent of the Hamas getting away with it.

The Hamas has a history of lying and deception in order to support the narrative in their favor.

There's the incident of Hamas accusing Israel of bombing an hospital last year, which the media widely reported as truth before checking, but in the end it was in a building a block away from the hospital. Since this embarrassment the media has been more careful before confirming anything coming from Hamas official sources.

Also the Hamas had a guy that multitasked as an News Reporter, Combatant, Healthcare Professional, Bloodied Victim. This was reported in social media, a guy from Hamas appearing in photos doing all those things in different occasions. Give this guy an Oscar already!

The Hamas does not hesitate to manipulate facts to confirm their intended narrative. Their track record is tarnished at this point. But, to be honest, an organization that takes hostages as a leverage to negotiate a ceasefire in a war they themselves started, from this point it was already very clear they'd do anything to achieve their goals. From using civilians as human shields to lying without shame, these things are just the cherry on top of the heinous acts they committed as the catalyst of the war. They were not trustworthy from the start.

And what you say about "IDF using Palestinians as shields" makes no sense. That's what the Hamas do, actually. The Hamas see their civilians as disposable sacrifice for a religious end. If an IDF soldier took a Palestinians civilian literally as a human shield in order to avoid being shot by a Hamas militant, the militant would shoot both of them without hesitation, because they see their civilians as sacrifices in a religious sense. Just an addendum, the Islamic State leaders used to say "we love death like you love life" as a point of comparison of the radical islamic worldview compared to the western worldview. That's the kind of thinking that drives the Hamas, and that's why they're not ashamed to call for the extermination of all Jews as if it's the most normal thing in the world.

About the deaths in the West Bank, I'm not too knowledgeable about this to comment further.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The media isn't taking the numbers at face value, unless you're also making the claim of the UN and UNICEF because they use the same numbers. The fact is, given the wide destruction, the actual numbers are much worse. If you can't admit that last point then I assume you're not familiar with what percentage of homes have been destroyed or how many dead journalists and their families have been murdered.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Three months ago the IDF also rescued 3 hostages by killing many civilians. They bomb entire neighbourhoods to rubble as a distraction mechanism for their teams to go in.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They bomb entire neighbourhoods to rubble as a distraction mechanism for their teams to go in.

Those human shields had it coming. /S or I guess they're human bait now?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And half a dozen months ago they could have had a ceasefire to have them released, along with the ones that STILL aren't released.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

Nah, that was the one that Egypt fucked up. There had not been an actual agreed upon hostage transfer since the first one. Hamas also won’t give actual information on the hostages. This whole thing is just war crimes the whole way down.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

And this time IDF didn't shoot them!

[–] [email protected] 53 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Great news. Not sure if genocide of the Gaza population is necessary for that.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It is not.

This article doesn't mention if anyone was killed in the raid, Hamas or civilians.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

[Israel rescues 4 hostages in raid Gaza officials say killed over 200 ] (https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-06-08-24?ref=upstract.com)

Edit: the number is now 274 Palestinians killed in this operation:

How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

94 dead Palestinians, including children.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Israeli forces returned fire, including with airstrikes, he said. An Israeli special forces commander was killed during the operation, a police statement said.

Just casually bombing city areas jfc

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

If they aren't human shields then they're human bait. Or as my household calls it, a war crime going unpunished.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Amazing news!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Nice work IDF. Four alive hostages rescued is good news.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At what cost?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

210 Palestinians killed according to the news reports.

Edit: 274 Palestinians killed.

How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Only in this particular operation. But the war had to get this far for them to conduct it. So the cost is exponentially higher.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It is good.

I wonder how many other innocent people being murdered justifies saving other innocent people.

Can you kill 100 to rescue 4. What about 1000 or 10000.

The fact is they could have accepted any number of ceasefire deals to release these hostages, but they chose to keep murdering more people and further creating the next generation of Hamas signups.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Israeli security forces rescued four hostages during a daytime raid in central Gaza Saturday, including Noa Agramani, who became of the face of the hostages taken during the Oct. 7 attacks after harrowing video of her abduction was seen around the world.

The hostages have been transferred to an Israeli hospital near Tel Aviv, where authorities say they are in "good medical condition."

The rescued hostages are Argamani, 25, Almog Meir Jan, 21, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 40, according to a statement issued by The Israel Defense Forces, Israel Securities Authority and the Israel Police.

They were among those kidnapped by Hamas during the Nova music festival on Oct. 7, and are now at the Sheba Tel-HaShomer Medical Center near Tel Aviv for further examination.

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