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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Version 0.19.X Deployment

Hello world!

I'm sure many of you fine folks have been wondering why we have not upgraded to version 0.19.X yet.

The whole team here has been getting asked this question quite a bit, from both members of the community and other instance admins. We want everyone to know, YES, we will upgrade to version 0.19.

We do not have a hard date set for when we will be upgrading as of yet, as we have about 7 associated task items that go along with this upgrade for things we need to double-check and confirm there will be no breakage.

Another big reason why we have not upgraded is due to reports from other instance admins that the front-end GUI can have performance issues. While a large portion of folks access our site using apps on their phones, we would rather not degrade the user experience for the rest of everyone else.

Worst case in terms of UI slowness, we would ask everyone to use either Alexandrite () or Photon () to mitigate the potential performance issues.

One final point to mention to address the delay is that we usually wait 1-2 weeks after a new release before applying it to production. This was complicated by the fact that there were multiple releases right after each other, with each new release having issues we hoped would be patched in the NEXT version. A new version would come up, and we would have to evaluate the stability and performance of it, which would take about 2 weeks, and then ANOTHER version would come out, which we would need to test. This was further complicated by the fact this was during the holiday season.

Version Release Date
0.19.0 2023-12-15
0.19.1 2023-12-20
0.19.2 2024-01-10
0.19.3 2024-01-24

For us, stability is paramount, as we care very much about keeping everyone happy here.

While we can appreciate the rapid release of patches on 0.19, I hope everyone can now understand the delay. If all goes well, we will set a release day in the next week or two, most likely on a Saturday around 1800 UTC.

-jelloeater85

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've talked a lot of shit about the whole fediverse before, but I appreciate your stance towards stability. It's what users crave! Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Leave the Gatorade for the plants...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Sounds like the reasoning of someone who eats Jello for dessert...sensible and safe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I don't blame you guys for waiting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We do not have a hard date set for when we will be upgrading as of yet, as we have about 7 associated task items that go along with this upgrade for things we need to double-check and confirm there will be no breakage.

Are there tickets open for these tasks so we can see what you're waiting for? Genuinely wondering

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

We dont have a public Roadmap yet, but we will have to test it in multiple steps. And we dont want to get suprised with bugs ( like those in 0.19.0/1/2 )

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I for one am thankful for the admins' continued dedication to platform stability.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Wondering if future plan of LW admins is to switch to Sublinks once it becomes stable?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The possibility is there, its something good to have. And with it we dont need to annoy the lemmy devs for implementing stuff for "just the big instnaces" and do it by ourself. And because it is written in java, its prefered and known by many devs, it accelerates the development of any feature a lot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Hello,

Interesting, I didn't know about the UI performance issues, but I definitely felt it recently

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

what's photon and alexandrite?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Alternative front ends interfaces, the links are in the sidebar

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Just so you know, there are some major security issues on 0.18. That’s why programming.dev immediately updated. The later bugs on 0.19 we were easily able to work around, while the security issues are major and should be resolved as soon as you can, as it affects every user.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We already patched it. No worries, we got already a tip for weeks. Sad that it got through the tests of the lemmy devs. Such issues should never go live.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Slow and steady wins the race

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Literally what we as admins feel like.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Thank you for your hard work. Much appreciated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

No need to rush it if the software is in heavy churn. Just pick a date when the dust settles.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Take your time, stability and uptime is most important. Thank you :-)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just love how professional the Lemmy instances have become. They went from having stability issues to being extremely stable. I love our Lemmy community.

Keep up the good work!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just love how professional the Lemmy instances have become.

Too bad upstream Lemmy development didn't adapt. The early 0.19 releases left several big instances hanging with severe bugs leaving them practically unusable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

In the developers defense, there are some bugs that don't appear until a a certain workload threshold is crossed. It's entirely possible for code to pass all tests and yet break when under heavy load in the real world (which can be difficult to simulate).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah many bugs are difficult to catch, but the federation and timestamp issue, was something different and almost like a joke that got out of hand.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the federation and timestamp issue, was something different and almost like a joke that got out of hand.

YOLO-driven development

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The testing in production development

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The testing in production development

That's what Mastodon developers seem to do but ahead of formally releasing new versions and on their own instance only:

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Thanks for the update. I am looking forward to instance blocking!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Thanks for the transparency. I'm firmly of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school. Upgrading to 0.19 is important for security, but until it is stable, it is also a risk.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Neat. Good to see constant improvement.

Unrelated: What ever happened to the weekly LW community spotlight? It hasn’t been updated in like a month

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The admin that organized that has left the team. I’m the new solo-lead for the community team, and will try to get that started again soon. Any suggestions for communities are more than welcome!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That makes sense. I was just wondering, since spotlight seemed like such a good idea on rollout.

As for communities, I’m way deeper into the hobby side of lemmy. Showing off

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or

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would all personally be great to me.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I for one am glad you take your time. I jumped ship from another instance that upgraded to 0.19 back in december and was almost unusable far into january. It's now on 0.19.3 and while federation seems to work again, it's still quite slow and unstable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Good luck with the update! One great thing about 0.19 is that it allows users to check federation status between instances, will be awesome to get that for lemmy.world as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

allows users to check federation status between instances

Wait ... what's this?! Never heard of this as a user feature? Any guidance?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

And one thing bad is that logged in users are logged out and can't log back in, getting errors when loggin in or worse, the site showing them a server error and they think the site is down! All fixed by clearing cookies. Or in apps, logging out then back in.

It looks like 0.19.3 may have a fix for this, which is great. IMO it's good that the largest lemmy instance hasn't updated to 0.19 yet, because a bunch of users may have disappeared thinking the site was dead. And you'd never know, because 0.19 counts active users in a different way.

Hopefully this is the one, though!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for all this info, I knew running the largest Lemmy instance would be challenging in term of version upgrade, and I'm happy you keep us posted on all your plans! Keep up the good work!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I think the transparency and inclusivity of this instance serves as a model. I love knowing that places like this can exist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're welcome, and thank you too! 😊

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

No, YOU are welcome here ;) You guys make this instance and the fediverse the best ;D

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Thank you for all your hard work!

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