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Yeah, not to mention the Judge can take into consideration whether or not the criminal expressed remorse for their actions. Trump left the courtroom after being handed 34 guilty verdicts, called the trial a sham, and said the result didn't matter because the "real" result was going to be Nov. 5th.
The Judge already determined that fines do not work on Trump and that he is flippant about his prospects of seeing actual punishment in regards to this case. He deserves the maximum prison sentence.
What's two scoops? Is it 2 scoops of ice cream because biden gets one or something?
I think it's a reference to a really old commercial for cereal. A brand selling bran flakes made a big deal that each box had two scoops of raisins in it. "Two scoops of raisins in Kellogg's Raisin Bran"
That's kinda odd unless there's some kind of metric scoop measure - it's meaningless. Gotta love marketing people
Two Scoops was a contestant on Gladiators.
That's nothing, I'm waiting for when Trump gets the chance to say something on the record at sentencing
I guarantee that up to this point his lawyers have been keeping a cork in his yap hole but if he's actually required to give a statement we could see some real shit.
More like a crack pipe
I'm just waiting for the day Trump says "fuck this shit" and fucks off to Russia never to return.
Maybe you don't know any narcissists like him irl. He won't fuck off because his ego won't allow it.
I doubt Russia wants him and I also doubt he wants to go to Russia either
They'd just need to feed him and give him internet access and it would be a big boon for them. Not close to him being the president, of course, but still.
I am still honestly amazed that that didn't happen Jan 7.
Trump is more useful to Putin if he stays here... for now.
Not only is he only useful over here, he's probably been instructed that he won't be safe if he decides to quit this mob racket.
Is that why he's smiling in every single photo of him for the last few months? Oh wait, no, that's just gas. :D
This is Trump’s last chance to bait the judge into doing something rash that would help on appeal.
Only when Trump is the defendant would anyone consider penalizing over a dozen violations that are each individually bad enough to get normal people jailed for contempt of court "rash".
Enough with the absurd levels of overcautiousness at the expense of seeking anything that even remotely resembles justice already!
Every single thing you say is true.
However, he appointed SCOTUS justices who are looking for any excuse to overturn the ruling.
The stakes are too high to ignore the real politik.
He didn't appoint anyone to the NY state supreme court.
I mean, how much do they really care about what happens after the verdict?
The case is still open until sentencing. They care very very much.
Because if they get a favorable sentence it's a secondary win?
It's the difference between probation and 1-4 years in Rikers.
I'd care a lot.
I’m from the other side of the pond, what does this mean? I’m having a blast with all the Trump memes but this one’s too specific for me :(
It means that all the information avaliable about his actions will be collected the judge will consider that information seriously as a part of the punishment.
Fellow right-side-of-the-ponder here (so take with a heap of salt). So basically both sides present mitigations ("my client had a clean record until now", "the defendant was found liable for SA", sort of thing). These may change the outcome of the sentencing, including specific dates for any period of incarceration.
There will also be part of this given over to why they defendant shouldn't be found liable for also violating his gag order (very similar to the ones before, but this one is now he is a felon). And if the defense counsel can't explain why he did that (which is pretty much indefensible) then he can be both found liable for the breach and have it impact his potential sentence.
I am not a lawyer, I am not American, this is just what I understand, until someone better comes along to correct me.
Very good.
On one hand the report could say the convict has always been a good person until now.
Or………
I could say the convict has spent the last 6 months threatening the judge’s daughter wracking up 9 contempts of court. The contempt cannot affect the sentence, but it will surely speak to character for a parole of that unaffected sentence.
A probation officer working for the court will prepare a report on the defendant’s background, including any mitigating circumstances, criminal history, behavior, etc that would impact the sentencing. Trump’s gag order violations are likely going to be used to justify stricter sentencing.
So what, an extra $5 on the fine?
An extra firm handshake and a slap on the back.
Limiting of social media access, hopefully.
God no, can you imagine if he actually posted what his handlers gave him instead of his own words?
Before sentencing a judge is given a report on the felon's behavior, likelihood to recommit crimes, and general overview of a subjects temperament.
Trumps is going to be amazing.
Do we think this report will be honest? Trump always has people around him telling lies for him.
They get interviewed by a court official
They have to pee in a cup for a drug test in front of said officer
The room is mirrored, so no shenanigans can go on during the pee in the cup phase
They are asked a bazillion questions that have to be answered, or you go directly to jail.
Fuck off for even implying that this process won't be honest
The court official is probably one of the people protected by the gag order put in place because trump was calling for violence against the courthouse staff.
Fuck off for implying that the judicial branch can’t be corrupted. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if trump weren’t continuously supported by people who lie or slow-roll for him. IDGAF if he has to pee in a cup, it’s the rest of the report that counts, especially the part where his likelihood of being a repeat offender is discussed and whether or not there are any consequences for the very fact that hell yeah, he’s a habitual offender.
Can they include the civil court's finding that he is a rapist or does that not meet the required evidentiary standard?
It's important to note that the trial was just about what he did in reference to these specific crimes.
This involves everything before during and after the trial.
Does that… Does that become public record? Asking for a friend
Sadly no. It's confidential.
Unless it's leaked wink wink
No leaks. Nothing that could give him basis for an appeal.
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Probation is possible for this type of white collar felony but Trump was already convicted of criminal contempt due to violating the gag order 10 times while in trial. The gag order is still in place until sentencing on July 11 but he keeps running his mouth and will most likely violate it again. So instead of probation he could get up to 4 years per count but usually they would be run concurrent.
His mouth is going to take probation to federal pound you in the ass penitentiary.
His mouth is going to take probation to federal pound you in the ass penitentiary.
I want to believe!
But this is a state case so the best we can hope for is actually serving some prison time in a state penitentiary and the upside is that it should be in Rikers!
While I earnestly support Trump getting everything he deserves, Rikers needs SERIOUS reform and honestly probably to be torn down.
Thousands of people are held at Rikers for months before ever seeing a judge or being arraigned, because cash bail keeps them locked up, and overloaded courts keep them there for longer
How about:
We take everyone out of Rikers, move them somewhere better, and just put Trump there?
I wholeheartedly agree.
But then again we should use all the tools currently available to us. It would be nice to see him there.
Right? Trump should be in the worst prison we have. If that's too inhumane for Trump, it's too inhumane for all the other people there as well, but that's a separate issue.