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we love open source!!1! (lemmy.ca)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 11 months ago (9 children)

[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Project wiki >>>>>>>>...>>>>> discord >> communication via carrier pigeons

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I think you're being a little unfair, communication via carrier pigeons is a valid solution as it outpaces IPv4/IPv6 carriers to this day

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

while yes, there are many BETTER alternatives already disponible

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then it sounds like all that's left to do is get 150 million people to use them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Then don't brag about being 100% FOSS supporter...

Also 150M people may use it, 8 billion people can't index it or do an advanced search, so fuck them.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

While coding on a Mac.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Not all people do.

What is the Anti Commercial-Al license and why do people keep adding it to their comments?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

From that thread

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[+] [email protected] -38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

Actually the mac OS is built in part with freeBSD. Open source nix has always had a place at Apple, but Apple greedy and bad right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD

Darwin, the system on which Apple's Mac OS X is built, is a derivative of 4.4BSD-Lite2 and FreeBSD

Here’s a good breakdown: https://stackoverflow.com/a/3449195

The Wikipedia BSD article is good (and accords with my own understanding, for what that's worth). It says that Darwin, the system on which Apple's Mac OS X is built, is a derivative of 4.4BSD-Lite2 and FreeBSD, and notes that 4.4BSD is the last release that Berkeley was involved with.

So, Darwin is as BSD as you can get (just like all the other BSDs!). OS X refers to those parts of the distribution which aren't open-source, principally the GUI, but including a variety of frameworks, and anything which relies on these won't be portable.

OS X as a whole is a UNIX 03 system. That's equivalent to being a truly POSIX-compliant system (as opposed to being POSIX-like).

As other answers have noted, the userland parts of the OS are unsurprising to anyone with much unix experience, and I've rarely had any difficulty building portable-unix software on OS X.

In contrast, the non-userland parts of the OS are pretty different. Apple seems to be willing to innovate in those areas fairly cheerfully. I think (but I'm not positive) that these changes are formally part of Darwin. One of the most obvious differences is that launchd has replaced cron, at, inetd, and much of the startup infrastructure.

….But go ahead and tell us how mac and open source is antithetical

Edit: for the downvoters, yes Apple has had their hands in open source from the start and never stopped. Doesn’t mean they’re the goddamn FOSS Jesus

Open source software is at the heart of Apple platforms and developer tools. Apple manages the following projects and encourages your contribution.

https://opensource.apple.com/projects/

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Yes, Apple, like many other corporations, uses FOSS components in their closed source software because it saves them money from free labor. There are also parts that make sense for them to distribute under a free license because they need developers to implement them in their software to work with their OS or browser.

That doesn't mean they're actually benefitting the FOSS community in any way, it just means the FOSS community is benefitting their closed source software for free.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apple greedy and bad right?

Yes.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The fuck are you high? Even microsoft, google, and meta support or have their own OSS projects. Apple just used someone else's work as a base and doesn't contribute to anything, what are you defending here?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Windows is a free and open source software, it incorporates open source components.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Incorporating parts from a free and open-source Unix-like operating system does not make your OS FOSS. Apple would be the last company to contribute their MacOS source code.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

OS X refers to those parts of the distribution which aren't open-source

From your own quote

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Opinion: When you are trying to build a community it is more important to use whatever platform your users can be found on than to be a purist.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, i can't be there because the only provider doesn't accept my (mandatory) phone number.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Set up a Matrix space, bridge the channels to Discord. Everyone wins.

(But don't use IM outside of its useful scope regardless)

[–] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Putting everything on discord makes information unsearchable via search engines, which is objectivily not great. This recent habit is contributing to killing the web.

On a more subjective note, I just don't like it. On the top of my head : Confusing interface, wont' shut up about nitro, requires a phone number.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

https://www.answeroverflow.com/

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

It's kind of stupid this even has to exist tbh

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

Counterpoint: If said community is about a certain type of software, decisions over the type of platform matter more than popularity within teenagers. Coherence is important.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Opinion: Not if that community advertises itself to know/care about open source. Using a proprietary, privacy unfriendly service which uses predatory marketing to get people to spend money on bs stuff and arbitrarily paywall functionalities is both anti open source and anti people. Its enabling those companies. One could maybe argue for a strict bridge which only server to connect those who resist foss platforms.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"I've built an off-grid support group. Join us on Facebook."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Exactly :)

[–] [email protected] 119 points 11 months ago (1 children)

but discord is simply less accessible than any other option. I can't even login without identifying 25 bicycles lmao

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago

Where matrix or/and xmpp

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