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US transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg on Monday said human drivers must pay attention at all times after videos emerged of people wearing what appeared to be Apple’s recently released Vision Pro headset while driving Teslas.

Buttigieg responded on Twitter/X to a video that had more than 24m views of a Tesla driver who appeared to be gesturing with his hands to manipulate a virtual reality field.

Despite their names, Tesla’s assisted driving features – Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving – do not mean the vehicles are fully autonomous, Buttigieg said Monday on social media.

“Reminder – ALL advanced driver assistance systems available today require the human driver to be in control and fully engaged in the driving task at all times,” Buttigieg said.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is the US government also alarmed by all the text and driver or the rising pedestrian deaths?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Naw, it's not topical

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is one of the things about assisted driving tech that's always confused me. It seems unlikely that we will have fully self-driving cars soon, but the illusion of being able to be absent while driving seems really dangerous. It doesn't seem like an improvement to me to remove the human element from most of the driving tasks while also requiring that human to spring into action seemingly at random.

Like don't get me wrong, people do dumb shit on the road with or without assistance, but having a system that requires human involvement at a zero-to-hero level seems like a bad system.

Then again, based on this actual content, maybe people just shouldn't be allowed to own vehicles full stop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

You are of course correct but the problem is that Tesla are irresponsible, shocking I know.

All the other car companies are holding back their self-driving tech until it actually 100% works, but Tesla are like, nah we're going to use our customers as bata testers. So what if they die they've already bought the car.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It seems unlikely that we will have fully self-driving cars soon

Maybe not from Tesla, but Mercedes already sells 2 cars which have limited Level 3 self driving functionality. Up to 50 mph you are legally allowed to divert your attention from the road and do something else, you just need to be ready to take back control within 10 seconds of the car telling you to do so. Mercedes is so confident in that system that they are taking legal liability for any crashes caused while the car is in self driving mode. And Mercedes is already planning to get the car certified for speeds up to 75mph soon, so it will be usable at regular highway speeds

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I find it baffling that people are so eager to put their faith in this shit 😂

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Have you been in the road?? Human drivers are fucking scary.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I'd sooner place it there than with humans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Well, so far these cars have driven a lot of miles without crashes. They don't need to be perfect, they just need to be better than a human driver, which is not a very high bar to set

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I fucking love people

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If this prompts the US government, why is the rising pedestrian deaths not promoting action?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well, the actual causes of pedestrian deaths (big dumb vehicles, infrastructure that more or less necessitates personal vehicle ownership) are the same things that the auto industry lobbies hard for.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

See General Motors and jaywalking

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Aren't these new Apple things AR devices you can see through, though? You could have a HUD that assists with driving.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah and what would you do if the device malfunctions or runs put of battery? You'd literally be blind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You take it off... It's not bolted to your head. What do people who wear glasses do if they fog up while driving?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, sure. You just "take it off" while driving a +2000kg metal block that's circulating at 40 to 160km/h. It's totally fine to lose control over your friggin eyes while operating a machine like that.

I'm sorry but you're either a troll or just very dumb.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They're not true AR devices, they're VR headsets masquerading as AR, you're still just watching a video of the world around you. As good as the Vision Pro's passthrough video, it's still passthrough video and doesn't have the same resolution as our eyes would have, plus it probably blocks out at least some of your peripheral vision. I do think having a HUD while driving would be nice, but it would need to be able to restrict any sort of extraneous content out (like youtube videos or whatever) and ONLY show information needed for driving (maybe have music/audio controls at most).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

the only "HUD" I want while driving is one that dynamically dims LED headlights while leaving the rest of my view unaltered.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

And sunrises/sunsets right in front of you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Speedo and tach projected in the bottom edge of the windscreen is really nice tho.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Imagine having a full field of view around your vehicle without looking away from the road in front of you. Full 360° vision from a camera setup without having to move your head. Or, at the very least, making your blind spots transparent so they no longer exist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I used an app a couple of times at night that reflected my speed where I know speed traps existed. Was kinda cool if low tech

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh, you "could." But I'll bet you these individuals aren't. These morons are looking at videos or scrolling the web or some other stupid attention diverting shit.

I'm not sure there even exists any kind of hypothetical "AR driving assistance" app for the Apple Vision. And there probably never will, for the obvious massive liability reasons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

There's only like four apps for the headset at the moment anyway.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago

The issue is the government's biggest concern isn't safety, it's being able to legislate those being unsafe. Which can actually be conflicting, because even if a VR headset showing directions on the road itself is less distracting than looking at a separate phone/GPS- a cop doesn't know if you're doing that, or if you have YouTube in the corner of your eye.

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