Why do the Dems insist on kid gloves and rules of engagement when the Rs clearly ignore them?
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Mother fudger needs to do that shit now and also stop supporting genocide.
They're keeping their powder dry. They've been doing it since elected. And through the last campaign. And the one before that. But this time, I'm sure the perfect circumstances will come around for us to use some of this precious powder.
They still don’t have a media plan. 2016 broke everything. The best anyone’s come up with - that I’ve seen - is to constantly hassle voters with unsolicited texts.
Wrong. It’s like we have 25 million dollars lets run the same ad 100 times a day. Wrong!
Mayor Pete is the only person from his administration that I seen that does actually does good media and f'n can't stand that clown.
If trump is convicted, I wanted to see an all-out, balls-to-the-wall pressure campaign to have him incarcerated. Orange jumpsuit, bracelets, no spray tan, no rug. The fascist traitor cunt must be crushed under the heel of Lady Justice. Big baby jesus knows she deserves revenge for having her pussy grabbed over the past 8+ years.
Is this a spoiler about the results of the trial?
No, he’s just going to waggle more fingers because he thinks that’s what we want to see.
The dog and pony show is gonna end on election day with no one being convicted.
I think he will be convicted in the next two weeks on election interference. The evidence was damning & Cohen already went to prison for the same crime.
I’m not convinced the jury will convict, just takes one closet Trumper to hang the whole thing
There’s two lawyers on the jury to walk the rest through it charge by charge. If there’s one yokel who refuses to accept the facts when it’s being laid bare the foreman will have them removed by the judge and an alternate seated.
Zero chance that the trial ends before the election.
Well closing arguments start Tuesday so it's more like 100% chance it ends by November.
I think we'll have a verdict by the end of next week. The evidence is damning.
If we don't then they've probably got a Trump person on the jury and we're looking at a hung jury.
It only takes 1 person
But mah appeals process!
Still a win.
In New York, you are incarcerated while your appeal plays out.
Unless you are orange. Convicted or not, there is absolutely 0% chance they are putting this malformed traffic cone behind bars.
I can't think of a single legal mechanism that would prevent it from happening. If you know of one, do tell.
This isn't a Federal crime where they have the option of putting him in a military barracks like they did Nixon's lawyer.
Hope you're right. Until it happens, he's completely immune.
When you get to this level of popularity, you get special rules. It's the same as how he just got endless warnings for breaking the numerous gag orders. They don't want to trigger a bunch of riots by his fan base, who would all be convinced that this whole thing is just political persecution.
Or they don't want to afford Trump any even remotely legitimate opportunities for his appeal.
They have facilities that are used to keep "protected" inmates (ex. - informants, flippers) out of general population prisons that they could put him in and have him be the only inmate in the building.
That’s for the poors.
FYI, Michael Cohen is a multi-millionaire
His CFO is also doing his 2nd round at Rikers because he would rather purger himself then snitch on the crime boss. And also something to do with his "don't flip" NDA he has with Trump that gives him a bonus for not cooperating with law enforcement that came to light during this current trial.
They need to step up the game on pointing out he is on trial right now and then go all in if he is convicted. If they have been saying it already, then they need to figure out how to say it in a way that gets on the news.
They're focusing on the wrong things. Trump's supporters DGAF that he's on trial. They just say it's the deep state/Soros/Biden/whatever trying to stop Trump.
Hit the campaign trail and talk to the people face to face. Not from a stage reading a teleprompter. Yeah you'll have some yelling at Biden and angry but the majority just want to be heard. Then have Biden admin take all the grievances and create a plan to fix them. No excuses about "the Republicans are too strong, sorry" crap.
If he is convicted
I find it hilarious that people still believe there's a rule of law while the US is a full blown corporatocracy masquarading as a democracy. Trump will never see the inside of a jail cell, or face any justice beyond financial (yet never enough to lose a life of luxury). Laws are for the commoners.
It is possible that he could be convicted in at least one case.
If he is convicted, it is guaranteed that he will never spend a day in jail because he is wealthy enough to have the appeals process drag out his incarceration indefinitely.
If he is convicted it is possible that the Republicans will distance themselves from him, but that would depend on how invested his base is on whether his trials are actually shams if a jury votes to convict.
If convicted he would (plebs would anyway) start serving his time while his appeals process works its way to be heard by the appellate court. And if he does time at all, he would probably be out before his case made it for review, which would then only serve to strike the felony/felonies conviction(s) from his record (if he wins of course).
They're trying to avoid accusations of trying to politicize the trial. I can't say I disagree. Much better to maintain silence about anything to do with the ongoing trial, and go ham when it's over.
They’re trying to avoid accusations of trying to politicize the trial.
How's that working out?
"Please proceed, governor"
Decent people taking the high road is why the conservatives keep a stranglehold on power in the US.
It isn't like conservatives are staying silent about the same topic, why give them more space to fill the public consciousness with lies while waiting for something that is likely to be appealed anyway? Are they going to wait for the appeals to be heard before saying anything?
Are they going to wait for the appeals to be heard before saying anything?
Oh heavens! That just wouldn't be proper. In keeping with decorum they must wait an appropriate amount of time out of respect. Surely the American people will understand who is truly the more ethical choice.
The difference between good and evil is that good follows rules and evil doesn't. And the fascists are always going to spread lies, whether there's a trial going on or not. Making remarks about or adjacent to the trial while the trial is going on just gives them one more thing to lie about.
I'm sure sure who the good people are.
What rules would be violated by focusing on Trump being on trial?
Why aren't those rules being enforced when conservatives ramble on endlessly about the trial being a sham?
Staying silent is giving them more room to lie, because they are already lying constantly about the court proceedings. Saying something isn't going to lead to them more lying.
I think related to trials, Jon Stewart, Seth Meyers, Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel and others are far more effective than Biden ever would be in his campaign ads.
The thing is that being a former president with 91 felony charges is quite pathetic.
That's just true in general, on any subject. They have charisma.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON — With a verdict in Donald Trump’s hush money trial set to come as soon as next week, President Joe Biden’s campaign is exploring a shift to a new, more aggressive posture, according to two people familiar with the strategy.
Regardless of the outcome, top Biden campaign officials plan to stress to voters that Trump will be on the ballot in the fall and that no potential court proceeding will change that fact.
“The only way to truly stop Trump is to defeat him once and for all at the ballot box and not expect a conviction to play a huge role,” said Jim Messina, a Democratic strategist who was a campaign manager for former President Barack Obama.
The Biden team expects to send a message if Trump is acquitted or there is a hung jury that voters shouldn’t wait for the outcome of his other legal issues to be determinative, either.
The specter of Trump’s legal travails and the nonstop media coverage around them have also made it difficult for Biden and campaign messaging to break through, said Jennifer Palmieri, a longtime Democratic strategist.
At one point, the campaign put out a news release with the headline “After Stormy Abortion Ban Coverage, Trump Poll Memo Attempts to Hush Panic.”
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