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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it's healthier

It's less damaging.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

A lot of comments here are saying that vaping is apprently healthier than smoking. But we don't actually know that. All independent studies I know of say that we can't tell the long term consequences to vaping lungs yet.

Everyone that says that vaping is healthier than smoking is just parotting the companies that sell vapes.

Edit: Some videos about that topic:

https://youtu.be/XuTQbOo3Y30

https://youtu.be/bbV6I8VRMG8

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Actually, it was on the Dutch news recently that doctors find that it's really unhealthy for teenagers.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

"It's fine, probably..."

-someone making money off it

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Check out this comprehensive review from 2022 about vaping and health:
https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj-2021-065997

The last bit in its conclusion section states:
"The true impact of vaping on respiratory health will manifest over the coming decades, but in the interval a prudent and time tested recommendation remains to abstain from consumption of inhaled nicotine and other products."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I have this vape and i just reload it like a sawn off shotgun

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So, ok, absolutely if you go through disposable vape after disposable vape, yes you are literally throwing batteries away...

But if you get a rechargeable, refillable pocket vape, which you can get for maybe the cost of two or three disposables...

Then you are just recharging a battery. Usually a much smaller (in terms of energy capacity) battery than even the crappiest phone.

Obviously you should not pick up vaping as a habit, but it is faaaar less bad for you than smoking, and if you were already addicted to smoking, well switching to a vape is healthier and less expensive.

Myself I spent almost a decade smoking, switched to a vape and my lung capacity is greatly improved, oral health is way better, oh and no more horrific coughing. I am slowly dialing down the concentration in the hopes that one day I'll be able to quit.

Before that it was years of trying to quit cigarettes, making it a week or a month with none, giving up and getting a pack, feeling like a piece of shit figuratively and literally as they'd make me sick again.

People do not seem to widely realize or appreciate that nicotine withdrawals are as bad or worse than heroin withdrawals.

Another hand grenade you can throw into this is: Sure, smoking weed has varying medicinal properties, but it also has the problem that you are smoking something.

Do you smoke your blunts through a filter?

No?

Oh, ok so thats about the same tar and particulate matter as the same amount of smoking hand rolled cigarettes.

Ive known plenty of habitual weed smokers with the traditionally tobacco associated 'smokers cough', and they would tell me that smoking MJ is actually healthy for you as they are weezing and out of breath, hacking up a lung after a flight or two of stairs.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

This is harmful misinformation that can literally lead to people dying from tobacco related disease.

Vaping, while definitely not healthy, is NOWHERE NEAR as unhealthy as smoking tobacco is. Especially when you do it as intended: temporarily for smoking cessation like I added decades to my life by doing.

I smoked for 18 years, the last 10 of which I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medicine and substance abuse therapy. They just didn't work for me.

Vaping did, though. In roughly 6 months I went from smoking a pack or two a day (depending on stress levels and alcohol intake) to neither smoking nor vaping at all and I haven't for over 3 years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If it can help people to quit smoking, I'm all for it. But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won't have any of the harmfull effects of those.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

If it can help people to quit smoking, I'm all for it.

That's literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it's used for today.

But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won't have any of the harmfull effects of those.

Again, that's all it was ever designed for.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that? Not to offend you, but that seems rather unlikely to me. This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020. It would be very suprising if these kids tried to quit smoking cigarettes

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that

That 90% is admittedly going by memory of statistical analysis that I'm now unable to find amongst all the anti-vape misinformation and data that focuses only on how many vape and doesn't show the age distribution.

Anyways, here's some myths debunked by probably the most reliable and unbiased expert group to weigh in on vapes, the NHS.

This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020

That sounds ridiculously high. The highest I've seen for 2018 was 2.9%. There's no way it went from that to 20% in just two years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That 90% is admittedly going by memory of statistical analysis that I'm now unable to find amongst all the anti-vape misinformation and data that focuses only on how many vape and doesn't show the age distribution.

I am not saying you are lying, I know it is impossible to memorize all studies you ever read. On the other hand this makes your 90% pretty useless, as it is not clear what is counted here. You mentioning anti-vape misinformtion seems to me like you could be a bit biased, defending vaping for whatever reason.

That sounds ridiculously high. The highest I've seen for 2018 was 2.9%. There's no way it went from that to 20% in just two years.

Ok but that is not how studies work. I am not from the US, but the affiliations of the study I linked seem to be pretty credible:

Office on Smoking and Health, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, CDC; Center for Tobacco Products, Food and Drug Administration, Silver Spring, Maryland.

The "myths debunked" may be an interesting read, but it does not contribute anything useful to the discussion.

I don't want to fight and as a non-smoker I am absolutely open to get convinced by you if you can provide some substancial information. However downvoting me is not really a strong argument.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I mean I switched to vaping a few years back. Still getting a smokers cough and breathing has barely improved. I should quit completely. Vaping has made it slightly easier, though. But in all honesty, screw the health effects of either I'm just glad I don't reek of cigarettes anymore. I didn't realize how absolutely awful my clothes smelt until I switched.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

I switched to snus. I'm also so happy about the smell. Congrats us for quitting cigarettes

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Don't vape, but if you're going to pick up an addictive habit pick up vaping instead of cigarettes/drinking/gacha games. Much less hazardous to your health.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The best is don't smoke at all

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Vaping isn't smoking. It's a smoking cessation method that involves no smoke or burning and contains no tobacco.

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