Kagi
this post was submitted on 20 May 2024
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MetaGer is a metasearch engine focused on protecting users’ privacy. Based in Germany, and hosted as a cooperation between the German NGO ‘SUMA-EV - Association for Free Access to Knowledge’ and the University of Hannover, the system is built on 24 small-scale web crawlers under MetaGer’s own control. In September 2013, MetaGer launched MetaGer.net, an English-language version of their search engine.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer
It currently supports the following languages/regions:
Dansk (Danmark)
Deutsch (Österreich/Schweiz/Deutschland)
English (Great Britain/Ireland/Malaysia/USA)
Español (España/México)
Suomalainen (Suomi)
Français (Canada/France)
Italiano (Italia)
Nederlands (Nederland)
Polski (Polska)
Svenska (Sverige)
Source: https://metager.org/lang
There is a TOR-hidden service too:
It is open source:
https://gitlab.metager.de/open-source/MetaGer
And has other useful features, for example:
That you can hide yourself behind our proxyserver just by opening the result anonymously? Use “OPEN ANONYMOUSLY”; this also affects the following links.
Source: https://metager.org/tips
Alternatively I use some SearxNG-instances, preferably hosted in the EU:
Anyone have any experience with Swisscows?
I use my own self hosted SearXNG.
Same, it's super simple with Docker and you don't even need to fiddle with ports or anything. I should probably try running it at my work PC now that I think of it.. Anyway, duckduckgo has been good to me for all these years.
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Yesterdsy I stumbled over this: www.mojeek.com Apparently has its own index.
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DuckDuckGo
I used to have to put !g (redirect to Google) on like half my searches to get the results I wanted. These days, I actually generally prefer DDG's results over Google's.
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I use Ecosia, it plants trees with the profits from its ad revenue! Results are sourced from Bing and Google.
I run my own searxng instance. It's amazing.
I also spun up my own yacy instance. It was pretty terrible. It could be good, but you would need a pretty beefy machine with a lot of storage and a lot of time for it to index for it to be anything approaching good.
Somehow I've never heard of searxng before. Would you say it's better than DDG? Are the memory requirements not too high?
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Google. I usually find what I want with it, although it has gotten worse over time.
I tried DDG a few years ago and only found it worse. Like, there was a clear performance impact with me using DDG vs me using Google.
Same. Once every few months I give DDG another try for a week or two, but between their strictly inferior and more spam riddled results and the absolutely grotesquely bad Apple Maps they integrate, it's back to Google pretty quickly.
It's like that study found out: Yeah, Google results have objectively gotten worse. But so have Bing's and by extension DDG's, and more so than Google's.
absolutely grotesquely bad Apple Maps they integrate
You can use !maps query to workaround that. I typically end up using DDG as a frontend to other sites through its bangs syntax.
E.g.
!maps x location to y location
But yeah, if normal DDG results don't work for you it's probably not a huge gain.
I'm mainly using duckduckgo for 7 years now. If I can't find something with it, I try startpage, which sometimes helps.
Phind.com is pretty good for programming stuff, it's AI but it cites it's sources.
Kagi. I like it
I’ve heard enough bad things about it to stay well away. Which is too bad bc it’s quite good atm! I just expect it to hoover up my data & get enshittified sooner than later & the CEO is Musk-level BSer 🤷♂️👍
What have you heard and where? I've not seen anything that indicates either of those things
I don't know about beefbot, but this blog convinced me to not use kagi:
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I just started using this and am still in the trial period but I will definitely be paying for it when my 100 free searches are gone. So many top results are exactly what I'm looking for. I can't believe my expectations have been conditioned to the point where this surprises me...
Yea it hasn't disappointed me so far, I'm also still in the trial, been waiting for a search that turns crap results on G and DDG to try and put it through the paces. Though compared to G it is nice not having half the results be sponsored.
Let me know if you find one that uses AI to find groupings of my search terms in its catalogues instead of using AI to reduce my search to the nearest common searches made by others, over some arbitrary popularity threshold.
Theoretical search: "slip banana peel 1980s comedy movie"
Expected results in 2010: Pages about people slipping on banana peels, mostly in comedy movies, mostly from the 80s.
Expected results in 2024: More than I ever wanted to know about buying bananas online, the health impacts of eating too many or not enough bananas, and whatever "celebrities" have recently said something about them. Nothing about movies from the 80s.
slip banana peel 1980s comedy movie
DDG results weren't too bad, although repetitious and focused on the history of the gag, and not particular examples.
The first result on Kagi search is this list which shows the movie years in parentheses so you can easily skip through just the ones from the 1980s. The other search results are more about the gag itself - first use of it by Charlie Chaplin, etc.
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Searxng
You.com was pretty good for highly technical topics, otherwise Google
Edit: use a VPN from the EU for Google, you'll get better search results
startpage.com or duckduckgo.
Recently started using startpage and it seems pretty decent.