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I can only hope people continue to love the truly old ones for a long time. (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I didnt have anyone to guide me in my late-90's pre-teen years. It was only with Jessie Gender's reccomendation that I dipped my toe in to lower decks, and then friends i met told me about DS9 being "the queer one", which got me hooked.

Dont get me wrong, I'd seen TNG episodes growing up...unfortunately the connection/click just didnt get made. (I circled back, dont worry)

Now for the heresy: From my perspective, the newer stuff, which folks so often gripe "change the format too much" or whichever (I wont even humor the bad-faith bigots complaints about how they cant slur people for intrinsic traits just for existing) -- I enjoy Strange New Worlds and Discovery a lot. They address something that Star Trek didnt (when I was young and media illiterate and taken in my bang-boom-Halo-style-scifi: i could suspend my disbelief. The costumes in TNG and even DS9 had taken me out of it before i ever got into it. No shade to designers...i see now the wonderful theatre they were making room for...and hey, Im a queer-anarchist so making things more easily digestable is the opposite of what i dig...but maybe consider that someone super enthused about a newer show may well be on their own path to a new appreciation for the older series <3

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

TNG is the definitive Star Trek for me. I don’t think DS9 or Voyager would have existed had TNG not been a success. They also appear to be in the same universe, all three had similar aesthetics and had crossover between them. TOS always felt a bit dated to me in the 90s, most of the stuff after didn’t really catch my interest.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I had a conversation with my dad about newtrek and for him "the new series" was Enterprise. I mean it was for me too until discovery aired a few years ago

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It seems like quite often, for myself included, "the best Star Trek show" is the one you first grew up with.

So it will always be TOS for me.

I don't dislike any Star Trek show, but TOS was my first love.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

TOS is Star Trek in my mind, even though TNG competes with it for my favorite. The adventures of Kirk/Spock & crew are the core of Star Trek, and it feels like everything since is an encore because of how incredibly beloved it was.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Enterprise was fantastic if you cut out the time travel episodes.

Voyager took a long time to find itself and it was disappointing the direction they took with it.

DS9 was a lame story with fantastic characters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I am getting towards the end of a ds9 rewatch (one episode before bed most nights) and I’m getting so happy to get to a voyager rewatch! It’s months away but still. (Not that I don’t like ds9, particularly the latter half.)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I love Voyager, DS9 and TNG. 90s were the best time for trek.

Enterprise not so much, but it was getting pretty good by the end.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

In the 90s it felt like we may be working towards that idealism, aftwards...not so much. Plus after mid 2000s/2010 everything wanted to be gritty which doesn't work for Star Trek. That said I haven't watched any series since Enterprise(on my list just not up there), but the recent movies felt less like Star Trek than the TNG ones.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

You know, I think you've got it. The pitch for Enterprise was "What if we went back in time before even TOS when everyone was significantly shittier?"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Watch Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds! Lower Decks is a little Rick and Morty-ish in the first season but it's still good. This is coming from someone who really doesn't like DISCO or Picard.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Check out Strange New Worlds. It's the trekkiest of all the new new treks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I feel like the only way gritty can work for Star Trek is if they set it entirely in the mirror universe where everyone is a dick.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I heard a girl at a bar refer to Nolan’s Batman Movies as the “Classic Batman movies” a few years ago and I still haven’t recovered

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Every time I hear someone call Pearl Jam "Classic Rock," I die a little inside.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Bro!!! I was listening to the oldies station in my car a few months back and they followed up a David Bowie song with Green Day 😭

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For whatever reason, I read your comment as if you were referring to the Tim Burton movies, and I still thought it was weird to refer to them as the "classics".

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People don't have fun with super heroes like this now. It's all dark and gritty. Imagine a campy, tongue-in-cheek Fantastic Four movie that they didn't have to worry about tying in to the rest of the MCU. How awesome would that be?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You mean like the Roger Corman produced version from 1994?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Except competently made, yes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I love this movie so much. It still holds up!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I feel like I didn't remember it was a movie, but remember the show as a kid. And it was way before my time, but my brother and I still liked watching it, it was just so silly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I fully support batman being silly again. I'm so bored with the dark and gritty takes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

You wouldn't mean something like this, would ja?

https://youtu.be/P5vKwcz820s

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

"If not for the brave sacrifice of those patriotic porpoises..."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Was Ensign Kim over 30 at the start of Voyager? Which series has a cast under 30?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Kim (Garret Wang) was 26. Kes (Jennifer Lien) was 20. Paris (Robert Duncan McNeil) was 30, rounding out the youngest 3 main cast members. The Doctor and Chakotay were the oldest, both at 41.

TNG had Will Wheaton at 15, Denise Crosby (Tasha) at 29, and LeVar Burton at 30. And Stewart (49), Spinner (38), and McFadden (38) as the oldest.

George Takei was the baby of TOS at 29, followed by Koenig (Chekov) at 30 (when he joined a year later, so same age as Takei), and Nichols (Uhura) at 33. Doohan (Scotty) and Kelley (Bones) were both 46 and Shatner and Nimoy both 35. They all lived through WWII (and both Scotty and Bones served, Scotty took some friendly fire on D-day while Bones did training movies for the air force).

DS9 set some new extremes, with Lofton (little Sisko) at 14, Siddig (Bashir) 27, and Farrel (Jadzia) 29. On the other end, Auberjonois (Odo) was 52, followed by Brooks (big Sisko) 44, and Shimerman (Quark) 43.

Enterprise had Park (Hoshi) at 23, Blalock 26, and Montgomery (Travis) 30. Bakula (Archer) was 46, Billingsley (Phlox) 41, and Keating (Reed) 39.

Those are all main cast members, there have been other supporting actors both older and younger than those listed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

NOW I feel old!

😩

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thank you. That is wildly more informative than I had expected.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I was also curious and it was interesting getting a better idea of how old they all were, considering when I first watched them all, they were pretty much all "adults" to me because anything from like 20 to 65 was just one category lol.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have a friend who doesn't like the (quote) "new Star Trek shows". That's anything produced after 1969. He grew up with TOS.

He's enjoying SNW though, so there may be hope for him. 😄

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

That tells me he likes Star Trek when it was the "wild west" in space.

Understandable.

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