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The first time Julian Chavez got laid off from his job as a digital ad sales rep at web.com didn’t turn him off from the tech industry. Neither did the second time when he was laid off from ZipRecruiter. By the third time, though, Chavez had had enough.

“I really loved what I did,” said Phoenix-based Chavez in a text message. “But the layoffs got me jaded.” Now he’s pursuing a graduate degree in psychology.

Chavez is one of hundreds of thousands of tech workers who’ve been laid off in the past two years in what now seems like a never-ending wave of cuts that has upended the culture of Silicon Valley and the expectations of those who work at some of America’s richest and most powerful companies.

Last year, tech companies laid off more than 260,000 workers according to layoff tracker Layoffs.fyi, cuts that executives mostly blamed on “over-hiring” during the pandemic and high interest rates making it harder to invest in new business ventures. But as those layoffs have dragged into 2024 despite stabilizing interest rates and a booming job market in other industries, the tech workforce is feeling despondent and confused.

The U.S. economy added 353,000 jobs in January, a huge boost that was around twice what economists had expected. And yet, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Discord, Salesforce and eBay all made significant cuts in January, and the layoffs don’t seem to be abating. On Tuesday, PayPal said in a letter to workers it would cut another 2,500 employees or about 9 percent of its workforce.

The continued cuts come as companies are under pressure from investors to improve their bottom lines. Wall Street’s sell-off of tech stocks in 2022 pushed companies to win back investors by focusing on increasing profits, and firing some of the tens of thousands of workers hired to meet the pandemic boom in consumer tech spending. With many tech companies laying off workers, cutting employees no longer signaled weakness. Now, executives are looking for more places where they can squeeze more work out of fewer people.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

firing your workers makes the green line go up

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Tech engineers need to unionize. Many probably feel guilty of even considering such things because the salaries are insane compared to other jobs, but it doesn't matter. Being treated like shit is being treated like shit regardless of how much money you make.

The psychological abuse tech companies regularly push on engineers is unhealthy, and then the constant layoffs that literally play games with peoples' lives just to make a family of yachts a little happier. It's disgusting. Sad thing is, some tech workers may not even notice how far down the well they've traveled with the constant pressure the companies try to apply to their staff.

The constant goals of annual tech releases and huge profit gains were never sustainable. Tech bros think they're being so "disruptive" but they're just playing a grift with lipstick on at the expense of thousands upon thousands of lives that shouldn't be as stressful as they are. All while creating mountains of ewaste to help push the planet towards being uninhabitable.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Am union. Can confirm better work-life balance, way more off time (47days) during which no one reaches out without justification, and no wildcat layoffs.

Pay is 15% low but the pension plan is kickass. And isn't that what you want?

Our union contract says 100% remote. I hope that continues to be a valuable goal as contracts come up for renewal in 4 more years. Since our hiring has been primarily across the country for retiree replacement (no one quits, just retires), I'm confident in its continued enshrinement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

U.S. based employer?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if any of this is punitive for push-back on RTO or union efforts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

That's part of it, plus salary rebalancing of junior roles. These roles aren't being eliminated. Engineers should unionize.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

It's almost just a function of business at this point. Since engineers aren't unionized, companies have become lazily complacent to use layoffs and rehires as a mechanism to manage each quarter's budget. It needs to stop.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't remember if it was Apple or Microsoft who started it, but the strategy is to hire more than you need and then fire the bottom performers = those who don't suck enough corporate dick.

It's a sign that these companies are too big.

Microsoft has about a quarter million employees.... doing what? They have about 12 products. All of which have open source alternatives done by .. 500-1000 people? Yes, sure they operate world wide and services are definitely needed both internally and externally, but come on, it seems kind of excessive doesn't it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Not to be a Microsoft apologist, but they have hundreds of product lines, and legacy products they still have to maintain like very old versions of Windows running ATMs and airplanes and industrial systems across the planet. They also have some consumer hardware lines, the video game arm, and so on.

That being said, they still manage to make Windows 11 something you pay for that is more noisy, unwanted-app-sideloading, in your face, naggy, and terrible with every release, so if # of employees is a metric for productivity, they will need to hire the entire planet to make W11 not a pile of junk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Most of these companies are tech companies that offered services during covid, and now that covid is over the changes they did during covid is not profitable post covid

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Publicly traded companies are like a monkey with a gun. The gun has been going off a lot lately.

Don't work for a publicly traded company. They're not interested in you. If you want to "climb the corporate ladder", sure. Go for it. Live that hell, baby.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know, last year I worked for a private firm that offered me a shitload of stock options then diluted them after I started.

You’re fucked unless you’re the boss.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Yup. Employee ownership is the way to go

[–] [email protected] 72 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lol the economy.

When the economy is bad, we suffer and prices go up. When the economy is good, we suffer and prices go up.

Why should any of us give a single shit about the state of the economy when it only benefits the 1%

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Because we all want the new G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

But it comes out and gets bought up by resellers and a select lucky few regardless of whether the economy is good or bad.

I buy it when it's on sale because they overestimated demand, or when someone is selling a used one at a lower price. Whether the economy is good or bad.

Why should I care about the economy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Fk that! I want Maskatron, the bionic man nemesis who can wear different faces!!

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