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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (10 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I spy 2112 in there ๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿป

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

damn, 0451 is blocked from view :-(

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Now someone tell me which pin is the least common one so we all can use it to be safe.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That reddit post is a repost too. Actual source:

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

There is also the original 'original source'. It includes a version of the picture without the labels and the axis flipped.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Hot spot at 6969, nice.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Where is 4269 in this chart?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Up 42 and to the right 69, duh.

Looks pretty low ranking if I'm seeing the graph right.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If the bank is going to make me memorize both a unique 10+ character password and a 4 digit pin, of course I'm going to make a dead easy PIN.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have never had a ststic password for my bank, is that even legal?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

For any sort of online banking you generally need a password.

A lot of banks these days are online only.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Looks like there is a bright at 2846, which makes me laugh. My pin is safe, though, at least in this graph, so I guess I'm good.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I imagine many are common based on their geometrical shape on the number pad.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

For my main card it is from the pin I used to reload my Gauntlet save at the arcade, which was based on an easy to memorize joystick pattern used to select the pin on the cabinet

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

There's a noticeable bias to using 10,11, or 12 as either the 1st and 2nd or the 3rd and 4th digits too, especially where the other two digits are lower. Like 11XX, or XX12. Wonder if there's a conscious reason for that or just a notable unconscious human bias for some number combinations?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They are birthdate MM/DD or DD/MM

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

My bank just gave me a random PIN number. Choosing my own was not an option.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I was able to change it, but once I found out I had the random one memorized anyways and changing would've been even more confusing.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I'd forget that so hard.

I used to be able to memorize random sequences of numbers when I was young, but my brain doesn't do that tedious shit any more.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Password manager is the way. It's recommended for all password related things anyway.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And good ones like bitwarden or keepass, not bad ones that get hacked almost yearly like lastpass

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

You can see that 19xx line continue at 20xx too

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Here's a question, would it be more secure to choose a rare pin number or a pin number that is extremely common (ignoring obviously bad ones like 1234, 4321, meme numbers, numbers with four repeating digits, etc)?

Logic suggests that picking a rare number is better than a common one, because common ones are the ones that people would try first when attempting a bruteforce attack. Yet at the same time, personally if I was trying to brute force a pin, I'd start with obvious choices like 1234, 4321, four repeating numbers and meme numbers, and then switch to alternating between common-rare-common-rare if I was trying to brute force a pin number (starting with the most common and most rare). That'd mean the pin numbers that are the most secure when it comes to brute force attacks would be somewhere in the middle.

Granted, 4-digit pin numbers aren't very secure considering there are a maximum of 10,000 combinations, and social engineering attacks like phishing mostly bypass the need to brute-force the combination entirely. As such, the effort would likely be inconsequential and pointless outside of not picking ridiculously bad pins like 1111, but I'm still curious.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If your goal is to access a random account as quickly as possible, why would you ever try anything other than the next most common PIN?

It's not like Vegas where longer odds = higher payout. Less common PIN just means any given account is less likely.to use it, and therefore it's less likely to be correct on any given attempt.

If you look at it another way, the brightness of each square on that grid is the probability that there is a prize inside. If you wanted the most prizes as quickly as possible, picking the darkest avsilsble square is always a bad choice.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

If you have some degree of knowledge about the target, and know they are somewhat security savvy (but also somehow only have a 4 digit pin protecting this account) then it might be wise to check the pins that would be considered more secure. Or, at least, to perform some data processing on the source data for this graph which culls stupid pins (and remember the ones you cull to add to the end of your brute force approach), and from there continue with the highest probability.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As you said, 4 digits is not enough to make something secure to a computer. 10,000 permutations is milliseconds of computation.The only reason it's at all secure for a credit card is because you're generally only using the PIN for in-person transactions where there are more practical limits on attempts (Narrator: "After 2 hours and 632 attempts, the cashier began to get suspicious..."), if not hard cut offs from the bank/processor for failed attempts. If we're being realistic, as long as your PIN isn't in the first 3-6 numbers they can try, it's probably secure enough in itself. Theives want low hanging fruit. Easier to try to social engineer your PIN then to manually brute force it. As long as you're avoiding the most obvious first attempt numbers, go ahead and use your dog's birthday or your childhood home's address. It's fine.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Now imagine if you could use FIVE digits for something as important as a bank account.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Even more hilarious is the number of banks that have online login systems that have a maximum length of like 12 characters for the password.

and then the 2nd factor? Yeah that's just another password.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I've met ones that restrict passwords to be 6โ€“8 characters

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I use 8! My mom called me ridiculous for doing that :(

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It is! How long does it even take to type in 40320 digits?!?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I figure gotta be, at least 45 seconds!

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