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I constantly see angry mobs of people decrying "woke", "critical race theory", ""grooming"", and whatever other nonsense they made up this week. They march around with guns, constantly appending lib as a prefix to any word they can use to denigrate. They actively plot violence and spew hatred in the open.

You never see the inverse. There is no ConservativesofTiktok getting churches harassed into shutting down for the day or calling in threats. You don't see cringey boomer memes on the left. And whenever I openly express those feelings, try to create that sentiment; I get shut down. Noone agrees, I'm often shamed and muted. I just don't understand why that parity exists, it's extremely isolating to feel so alone in this

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

The right wing has a long history of real repression. Think slavery, segregation, Jim Crow (simply saying it doesn't do it justice), voter suppression, KKK, mob violence, etc. As much as I hate to realize it, they were fundamentally built on violence and hate. It's never left them. Especially the mentality, which is "my way or violence".

This is also why they project the left is violent. Because they are, so they assume everyone else is too. So they try to portray left groups as violent. Same with having an agenda. They have one, so they assume everyone else has one too. It's all projection.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I honestly don't think there's much of a difference between these groups. Both have lots of people hating the guts of another group. And both are substantially radical in views. This all is just crazy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This is the broadest stroke I can make of it:

Conservatives decisions are based on instincts and lower brain functions like fear and hatred.

Liberals decisions are based on marginal benefit and rational decision making based on a combination of large and small scale unbiased data and historical outcomes.

There are tons of outliers and vocal minorities that break the rule, but basically a conservative thinks a liberal should face eternal punishment, while a liberal thinks they're not fit to judge a conservative.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Liberals decisions are based on marginal benefit and rational decision making based on a combination of large and small scale unbiased data and historical outcomes.

[citation needed]

Liberals have their own idiotic biases and foolishness. Biases and foolishness that have led to the "disappearing" of many LGBTQ+ activists in China, incidentally, which is why so many such groups in China are distancing themselves from their western counterparts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because we have elderly people in our life that we care about and they weren't monsters when we were young. Think of how much effort it would take you to objectively look at ideas your grandparents held/hold and what it says about them. I know I can't do it. I can't see my grandfather as a person who used to refer to homosexuals with a word I won't repeat. The man who took me on so many hikes and fishing trips? No way.

Now extend it. Do you really want to go through your life thinking everyone passed a certain age is a terrible person? So evil becomes misguided.

The reverse of course isn't true. No one gives a shit about a 30 year old. They ain't cute and they are starting to run stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You're letting your heart get in the way of the mind. I got to enjoy knowing my grandparents abused my parents. My maternal side in particular revelled in spewing hate at demographics including myself and abandoning all the values they claimed to hold dear for their pentacostal magat cult. Needless to say I do not have the same issue.

Regardless. If you really care about defending people's rights, you need to be able to look people like your grandparents in the eye and say "No, you're wrong, and should suffer for it".

And old people arent cute, not sure where you got that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

“No, you’re wrong, and should suffer for it”.

How very Abrahamic of you. Indeed if you didn't continually and loudly bleat your politics from talk like this I'd assume you were a fundamentalist Christian.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Well a. Mind are dead b. If they were alive I wouldn't do that c. I don't got to do anything

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If it makes you feel any better I'm on your side and I get the same whiny milquetoast doormat bullshit from liberals. They think they can get power to abdicate itself by begging, and they think violence is barbaric despite it being the only way things have ever progressed anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Cold confort knowing we're a minorty and Ill very possibly have to seek asylum by new years

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You and I are on different parts of the internet it seems. As a non American, your guys' politics frighten and confuse me. The amount of hatred seems pretty damn comparable on both sides. Also neither of your partied are actually very different. Just different flavours of authoritarian.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Too late at night for lolitarianism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is too late in the evening in the time zone I am in right now to hear libertarian ideas being taken seriously.

You know how when you had a long day and someone wants to explain to you whatever conspiracy crap they buy into but you can't? You just have no energy left to even pretend there is something of value there.

Go watch V for Vendetta and read some Rothbard if you feel you need to.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh you're one of those kinds of people. Gotcha. Well sorry me reminding you that governments like power makes you exhausted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes I am one of those people who thinks welfare programs and environmental regulations are a small price to pay for the benefits we as a whole get from them. But hey why not just move to the many countries in the world that don't bother with them?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Brother when did I ever say anything about any sort of social safety net. I think you're arguing with the wrong person.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It's the classic good vs evil.

Evil hates everyone and good is displeased with evil.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Gunna take this as Liberal/Conservative as party brand names rather than strict social ideology and you're talking about "the left" more generally.

I think the short answer is empathy. When you dig down to the bottom a lot of the discussion on the left talks about different forms of human needs. A need to feel accepted and loved, desires to exist publicly without fear... It is a radical form of empathy that asks you to put yourself in multiple pairs of shoes and see the world through perspectives you aren't naturally born into. The ultimate aim is to achieve a picture of humanity which is inclusive of the widest possible range of understanding.

In that way "Conservatives" are also people. It is not impossible to empathize with their issues. It takes a lot cognitively to internalize this new data and a lot of the rejection from the right comes not from outright cruelty but a desire for things to be and remain simple and easy. They don't want to stretch themselves and are scared of a world where that is something they are forced to do. The issue is a lot of the people selling the pitchforks on that side are doing it because it benefits them. That desire to understand encompasses the motives of individual Conservatives and splits them apart. A lot of the issues Conservatives have is that the left is "preachy" that we act like we're better than them and that does come from somewhere. Some leftists do just want to be the smartest most correct person in the room but others are just waiting for the Conservatives they know to be more understanding of other people who they learned about so they stop being mean. The person who pitties the school bully is often their target because that empathy seems to the bully like condescension.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

After a certain point, you have to realize your bully is either incapable or unwilling to engage in that empty. At which point, your option is beat or get beat

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Liberals hate leftists like conservatives hate liberals.

Liberals are a hop and a skip away from being conservatives.

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