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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I hope so. The united snakes should not have any influence for all the countries they bombed and couped for decades

[–] [email protected] 135 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Just removing the US from another world stage

Soon we will be completely irrelevant

Which is the plan

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago (19 children)

I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.

Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.

All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.

I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.

Disturbing thought though.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Israel might bulldoze Gaza and maybe a few Mashriq countries, but it would suffocate on Iran. That's a fucking big country.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Israel, Iran, China, and Taiwan are all outside the scope of NATO.

Canada, Greenland, and most of the EU do fall under NATO protection though. It's a defensive alliance with well defined boundaries, member countries may have interests in other parts of the world, but since none of Israel, Iran, China, or Taiwan are NATO members it's not something NATO deals with. Unless one of those countries were to attack NATO of course.

Russia is in no shape to make war on Europe right now, they have their hands full with just Ukraine, and face economic collapse. Iran is in a similar situation. Trump has stopped his 51st state talk, but he's insane so you never know. China invading Taiwan? Trump is weak (he only talks tough) so you never know. But China is authoritarian and as we've seen of late authoritarian regimes don't seem to be doing well running military campaigns so it's possible they don't even have the capability of invading Taiwan.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I can see trump believing something so stupid as that, and putin might saber rattle about it, but the majority of the world, and china/india especially in this situation, probably would not go along with it. Europe still has functioning nuclear capabilities. Putin does not want nukes hitting his country, full stop. China does not want a nuclear situation kicking off with their neighbor to the north, and knows that the US under trump would likely turn on them despite a war ruining both countries. India no more wants china controlling the waters to their east than the countries immediately around those waters do, and would likely cause issues, which china also doesn't want. As we've seen in the modern times with ukraine and some of the middle east conflicts and the india/pakistan border, nuclear powers tiptoe around anything that resembles direct conflict. The recent dogfight over the border was a pretty good idea of how reserved even 'open' conflict is.

So putin is likely not going to do anything more than a symbolic grunt at his western border, and china will just slowly weather down taiwan if the u.s. is withdrawing its influence. The idea of reunification isn't THAT taboo in taiwan, and the candidates for it gather a decent chunk of votes. If the u.s. starts acting like a bitch around the world (oh, gee, just look at what's happening right now), the sentiment towards it and china could easily see a rapid shift.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I agree with you, but my tinfoil hat is telling me to dig a shelter, preserve food and start making ammo. You know, for game hunting.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For the other nations in nato it would be for the best (imo obviously). Republican usa is not a reliable ally and the other nato nations have not all come to terms with that new reality yet. If the usa quits nato, then it instantly removes all doubt and the remaining nations of NATO can immediately start work on improving the alliance, instead of being stuck in limbo for a few more years while they're hoping that the usa will somehow magically unfuck itself.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

We already know all of that and work is already being done to improve the alliance among non-US NATO members. The US is already considered non-reliable and the only benefit of the US being a member is that it puts some doubt in the minds of adversaries long enough to build up the militaries of the non-US members.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (13 children)

If they're going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they're not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Probably because they want those 5% GDP spent for contracts with the 'murican military industrial complex.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But that's definitely (hopefully?) not going to happen if they pull out of NATO.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

They're demanding it of Australia (not NATO, but we do have ANZUS) too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Never underestimate the corruption and stupidity of European politicians. "Divide and conquer" works like a charm on most of our corrupt assholes. See the stupid opportunist fuck that the Germans elected chancellor. His (our :'( ) government is pushing for the use of the Palantir(!) software from fucking uber-Nazi-piece-of-shit Thiel in German administrations.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Yes, please. I'm sick of my country working with these degenerates yankees

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If the US leaves NATO, Europe would lose a lot of support.

If the US stays in NATO, they would refuse to support them anyway and could use their veto power to stop any potential action.

If they're not going to have the support of the US military either way, and the US staying in NATO could prevent the organization from taking any action at all, it may be in the best interest of Europe for the US to leave NATO so they can't cripple it from within.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

NATO is a defensive alliance so the only thing a US veto would do is prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. But that wouldn't happen until the war is over, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen until Russia's economy collapses. At that point Russia won't be a threat for awhile so kick the US out, add Ukraine as a member since Ukraine would be a stronger ally than the US anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What's next? Helping Russia in their wars? I hope it was fucking worth it to "own the libs."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Thanks to nato, america been bombing and organizing coup in ton of countriea with impunity.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Next is Canada and Greenland, then on to Europe where I will meet big daddy Putin in the middle.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

China could also attack Taiwan. That'll go much smoother when USA is alone and distracted

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Of course they do. Here's hoping they all die in a fire

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hope, this doesn't go anywhere. NATO is frail as it is.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't know if a US less NATO would be that frail, it would absolutely shrink the alliance, but that can make it more flexible, being able to re form to Europe's new needs, rather than as an extension of the US military

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

What's more, we wouldn't be dragged into the US' imperialist shit anymore. Well, hopefully.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Sure, that could be a consequence in the long run, but it would be pretty bad for our immediate situation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I feel like all those Leaders that met at the Hague last week should sit down and watch Rollins Band "Liar" music video.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This took longer than I thought it would. It seemed like a priority during trump’s 1st term, then it stalled.

Given some of Putin’s comments lately, he seems increasingly restless. I wonder if this is related to that?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He's preparing to attack the Baltics.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Based on news lately cracks on Russian economy start to show and their meat grinder in Ukraine crawls forward with massive casualties. At this rate they can't attack a garden shed.

Putin himself can preparen and wish to conquer whatever he wants but as long as the little remains what's left of Soviet Union might is scattered around Ukraine, Russia can't really do anything. If Europe can't get their shit together and Russia eventually wins (after several years at this pace) in Ukraine it would still take years to build up any kind of military force against anyone and even then they'd need to fight against whole EU and whatever remains are left of NATO.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I would say the rest of NATO should be able to hold against Russia for sure, especially in its current state.

I would just be worried about short-term problems because of disrupted logistics due to the US withdrawing. Or maybe that other countries would follow the US in leaving.

But in the end, that is just my guess.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Nato for sure can stand its ground even without the US. But Russia doesn't need to blitzkrieg and win huge swathes of territory in order to accomplish their goals of destabilizing the EU. Everyone saying "they're already losing in Ukraine, they wouldn't dream of opening another front" obviously hasn't studied Russian history.

I think the biggest deciding factor in whether this happens or not is actually China. Ostensibly, they wouldn't risk losing a huge market like the EU but afaik things aren't going well over there either, so if Xi wants to be the strongman Putin is desperately trying to be just in order to hold on to power, I can absolutely see them choosing Russia's side in a global conflict.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 days ago (1 children)

france was right all along

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago

Well, a Republican, so yes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Lol, they are really regarded, US paying more is by design right from the start.

[–] [email protected] 284 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (19 children)

Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.

Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

Fuck you.

[–] [email protected] 132 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We're pretty pissed off at ourselves right now too. I'm sorry things got this far and wish I could offer more than fear and frustration...

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Nobody cares what the State Duma has to say

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