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Anon doesn't like any web browsers (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I will not stand for this Firefox slander! I have been using it for literal decades, and never had an issue with it that was not the fault of the website or a shitty extension. No idea why anon thinks it is unstable

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Because Anon is a moron

[+] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

JFC seriously. This is too much.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You've obviously never met a web developer

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As a web developer, I'm ok with all browsers except Safari

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What's up with safari? I used to dislike it but it grew on me. Seems pretty light and quick, and it doesn't ask me to sign into it constantly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's totally fine to use, but it's a pretty big pain to develop for. And you basically cannot avoid it, since it's forced on every single iOS user (third-party browsers on iOS are essentially just Safari with a custom UI due to Apple's walled garden policies).

Safari is notorious for adopting open web standards and APIs incredibly late or not at all, leading many to believe that it's holding back the ability for web apps to achieve more native-app like capabilities on purpose. Right now, some major APIs are not supported on iOS, even though they have been on Android browsers for a while. The ability to install web apps locally and have them send notifications finally came to iOS Safari in a pretty half-baked fashion years after it arrived on Android. And that's just one example of many.

It also just behaves slightly differently & sometimes even explicitly off-spec compared to Chromium and Firefox engines in so many small ways that you quite often have to debug strange Safari-only bugs. It's pretty annoying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This makes more sense to me. The only things I’ve ever made that have to worry about multiple web browsers are basic, static HTML pages that just need CSS and maybe a tiny bit of JS. My biggest annoyance was that it didn’t have a grid view like Firefox did.

What does the web use Bluetooth for? That sounds like a nightmare regardless of whether the browser will let it or not, lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What does the web use Bluetooth for? That sounds like a nightmare regardless of whether the browser will let it or not, lol

Nothing much at the moment, but that's at least partially due to Apple's lack of support 🤷

Web apps could theoretically do everything native apps can. The only thing you need are APIs implemented by browsers that "bridge the gap" between web apps running in it and the host OS.

A bunch of such APIs including access to talk to Bluetooth devices have been proposed a while ago, but are missing on Safari. Bluetooth is just one example, another is the ability to communicate with peripherals at all (e.g. USB or MIDI or Serial). Those APIs allow for example updating the firmware of a device, reconfiguring it, etc.

The availability of such APIs is just equivalency with native apps and the possible usecases are everything you'd currently need to install a native app for. Imagine for example just going to some website to change settings of your Bluetooth headphones instead of having to download the manufacturer's app. Web Bluetooth also allows finding Bluetooth beacons, which would make for example museum audio guides with indoor navigation possible as a simple website. Etc. etc. 🤷

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

This has been insanely informative. Thanks for the detailed reply!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

What? I'm ok with none of them

[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The only issues I've had with Firefox is when some websites, like Teams, doesn't "support" it. Even though if you change the browser's identifier (there's an extension for that) then it works fine, they just don't "officially support" it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm also like 90% sure that "we don't support it" is artificial, been meaning to test it.

My Firefox install at the office works fine with Teams but will refuse to load at home. I think it might be a version issue, but I'll try to establish parity to make sure it's not Microsoft being fucky thinking they can shaft anyone using Firefox/Linux outside of the office.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One workaround has been to spoof your Firefox user agent so Teams believes it's Chrome, and would you believe it the feature worked. I don't know if this trick is still relevant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

This does not work with the message I was encountering, which is what originally made me suspect fuckery may be afoot...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Waterfox is a great Firefox Fork imo

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Firefox actually doesn't break. And it's also not Chrome with a layer of paint. So that's the obvious solution. Degoogled Chromium is the other.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It 100% can break due to updates. I've had compatibility get broken out of nowhere before, it's rare but it does happen. Typically it's due to some config change or something with security settings that was changed. Idk. But it does happen and it can be very annoying to fix.

I say this as a loyal Firefox user ever since I got fed up with Vivaldi. I appreciate Firefox for being what I consider the only decent browser currently available but even then I'm disillusioned to it's issues.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Floorp Browser

[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Brave is literally chromium you half baked onion

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That has to be a British insult. It's just too perfect.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I aspire to that but unfortunately I'm a lowly yank

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Firefox and all its forks break every two months requiring a refresh every two months

Meanwhile me here with the same Firefox profile since 2017

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Firefox on mobile does have one small problem, and that is the fact that whenever I enter full screen mode, the app just exits on its own. No worries, I can just reopen it.

On desktop, Firefox has never let me down.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Glad to know I'm not crazy. I tried so many things to get it to work but it's always force close and reopen. I don't really use full screen too often and that's the only issue I've had in the last few years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For some reason, another problem I seem to have is that videos play at a very small frame rate until I rewind the video, but then the problem returns if I pause and play.

I don't know if this is a problem with my phone specifically or if it's a Firefox problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I've noticed that for YouTube and a small number of other sites but not all.

I want to say it seems to be a Firefox thing since the videos work fine when streamed through VLC on my phone, but I really haven't looked into why

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Mozilla, you know what to do.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I've been using Firefox for like 15-17 years now, I honestly can't even remember when I started, but its never let me down.

I'm no power user with it or anything, but its always done exactly what I needed it to.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Yup, and aside from Firefox for Android, I don't remember the last time I needed to "refresh" Firefox, and even on Android, I only need to do it like once/year.

It's really a non-issue.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't get what they mean by needing a refresher every few days or whatever. I've used it all my life and only crappy websites had me needing to switch to another browser.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I completely forgot about having to use a different browser for bad websites. It's been a few years now, but I think something to do with the SHiFT code rewards between Borderlands 2 & 3 was the last time I had to use a different browser.

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