this post was submitted on 27 Jun 2025
1 points (100.0% liked)

Europe

6433 readers
77 users here now

News and information from Europe 🇪🇺

(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)

Rules (2024-08-30)

  1. This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
  2. No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
  3. Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
  4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don't question the statehood of Israel.
  5. Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
  6. If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
  7. Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in [email protected]. (They're cool, you should subscribe there too!)
  8. Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
  9. No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
  10. Always provide context with posts: Don't post uncontextualized images or videos, and don't start discussions without giving some context first.

(This list may get expanded as necessary.)

Posts that link to the following sources will be removed

Unless they're the only sources, please also avoid The Sun, Daily Mail, any "thinktank" type organization, and non-Lemmy social media. Don't link to Twitter directly, instead use xcancel.com. For Reddit, use old:reddit:com

(Lists may get expanded as necessary.)

Ban lengths, etc.

We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.

If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 7 or 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.

If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the primary mod account @[email protected]

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

German politicians are fond of saying, "Work must be worth it." But ever more people who work full-time need state benefits. And the new minimum wage hike is seen as disappointing.

top 19 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's just sad that every politician from the GroKo is so fixated on lifting the minimum wage, which wouldn't bring much at all in the big picture, instead of reducing the enormous amount of various taxes that has to be paid from everybody's salary, which is currently around 40%. SPD even plans to increase the amount of taxes that the middle-class, everyone with an annual salary between 66k and 100k will have to pay. And the politicians sell this as "taxing the rich".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

lifting the minimum wage, which wouldn’t bring much at all in the big picture, instead of reducing the enormous amount of various taxes that has to be paid from everybody’s salary

Lifting the minimum wage directly impacts the available income of the lowest income classes, who in turn spend most of their income on consumption, increasing domestic demand and thus also helping the economy.
Also, higher minimum wage gives unions a better position to argue for higher wages for their members. That in turn can put pressure on the general non-unionized wage level through competition for qualified labor, which we are told is in such short supply ("Fachkräftemangel").

Reducing income tax on the other hand primarily benefits those who pay the highest income taxes, i.e. those with high income.
Those people can afford not to spend their entire income but will instead put some if not most of these gains into personal savings, which effectively removes the money from economic circulation and does not help the economy.
Also extremely low incomes do not even pay income tax and thus would not benefit at all.

tl,dr Higher mix wage is good for everyone (at least everyone who lives off labor) and primarily helps the poor, lower income tax is only good for some and primarily benefits those with high income.

None of the really "tax the rich".
Although I would argue that a higher general wage level can help redistribute wealth from the rich to the working class.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Hahahahaha! The core middle-class consists of people earning between about 1.850 EUR and 3.470 EUR for a single person.

Come one, is it you, Fritze Merz?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Think about the economy without money. There is a fixed amount of things that can be done with the available resources. That doesn't change, no matter how wages or taxes are allocated. If taxes would decrease, inflation would compensate that.

If we want more, we need more. Cheaper resources or more profits from our products.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

This is definitely a point, but Germany's problem with the inefficient retirement and government healthcare systems (96 government providers? WHY?!) is a snowball that's been accelerating downhill for a long time and that needs to be addressed ASAP. The systems need to be reformed, otherwise we're looking at exponentially rising costs for both of those systems that will have to be paid by the average citizen. The health insurance providers are running on fumes money-wise and have already had to increase the contribution factor significantly, and this is just the beginning. It's ironic how SPD says "Wir dürfen uns keine Denkverbote auferlegen" (roughly meaning "We shouldn't be closed to any new thoughts") while suggesting to raise the health insurance assessment threshold from ~5500EUR/mo to ~8000EUR/mo, thus hitting middle-class even harder than it already is, without changing anything about the system itself. This is pretty much the "We've been doing this for a long time already, why change anything?" mentality that hit Germans very hard when they had cheap gas cut off after having relied on it for several decades.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Unpopular opinion, but I actually like the competitive landscape in public health care in Germany. IMHO this is the best example for capitalism: you define exactly what each company has to deliver, and they can compete on:

  1. pricing

  2. service

  3. additional benefits

The nature of the strong regulation here makes them compete on actual relevant things, and they can’t externalize the costs (mostly).

I actually believe having just one public health care company would result in a worse service.

I would rather focus on the ridiculous increase in wealth inequality, in Germany, and around the globe. That’s the root of all evil.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Competiton is always good for the consumer, sure, but too much of it is wasted money. It should be maybe 5-6 Krankenkassen, maybe bump that to 8-9, but this should be in no case a double-digit number. This is in my eyes the sweet spot for both preventing the formation of a cartell and simultaneously offering a wide range of services.

Just think about it, the current 96 companies all have to have their own C-suite, most likely several hundreds of employees - for what? This is a huge waste.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

About 95% of the money spent by the public health insurance company is „Leistungsausgaben“, I.e., paying out people for health related costs.

You can’t optimize that away, even when combining the companies. The remaining 5% is overhead. Having worked in a big company, I can tell you that big companies are not that much more efficient than small companies. In fact, the overhead is often even larger since there is lots more cross-communication involved between departments. In the end, everyone that is now a CEO would be an SVP instead, and barely anything would change.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No mention of unaffordable rents massively increasing the cost of living.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

The MSM is the same everywhere. Their oligarch-owners goal is to distract from the fact that the orphan crushing machine is identical everywhere.

Meanwhile, the productivity gains of the last 5 decades means that a 3 day work week should be the norm; instead, we'll be lucky to retire at all if we live to 70.

This is not a Germany thing. It's an everywhere thing, because the problem is capitalism and the wealth inequality it enables.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

DW is not mainstream media owned by oligarchs, it's funded by taxes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

DW is run by the federal government to further the image of Germany abroad. It is the equivalent in organization to Russia Today, Radio Free Europe and other government run foreign media outlets.

DW wants to promote an image of an open and discussive Germany, so they pick up on some issues as a reaction to the German issues already having become known, but they will not be proactive about it, e.g. run investigative Journalism.

Especially in regards to Palestine there have been huge turmoil as the DW arabic staff got very upset with the narratives they were told to push and now DW is backtracking a bit to not loose too much face with arabic speakers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

DW is run by the federal government to further the image of Germany abroad. It is the equivalent in organization to Russia Today, Radio Free Europe and other government run foreign media outlets.

Russia Today is a pure propaganda machine that was proven to present false information as facts multiple times. I'm not aware of DW being accused of that outside of Russia.

I don't really care about DW, but the previous poster implied it's oligarch-run mainstream media. It's not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Why more Germans can’t afford life on their wages

Easy! It is because Germans vote for exactly that. Again and again and again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If it's anything like my country, it's also a lack of offering issue...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

The left party has had a consistent affordable living and long term inhrastructure investment program.

But they are successfully attacked by the alliance from far right to supposed "liberal" press and politicians on a basis of "stealing peoples income", "doesnt work in practice", "evil communists", "Putin friends", "lgbt lifestyle party" and other attacks.

Meanwhile parties like the social democrats or greens have moved significantpy to the right, embracing neolibetalism and since a few years open Racism and unconstitutional authoritarianism.

Like in the US on the federal level these "progressive liberals" would rather bring the fascists to power than embrace "left" policies. Note that a lot of whatbis now attacked as "left" used to be standard among conservatives in the 50s-70s when it comes to taxation and public investment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Nur die allerdümmsten Kälber wählen ihre Metzger selber." As true today as it was back in Berthold's days.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Turns out, almost all do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

German efficincy