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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

In fairness Spot was a week known menace to everyone but Data. Although I suspect a Vulcan would probably have been fine. As for cats, I believe that even a targ would likely avoid picking a fight with a cat.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Worf grew up on the farming colony of Gault with the Rozhenko family. They later moved to Earth when he was a teenager, but he didn’t live there for too long before joining Starfleet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah, fair enough. But there were still a bunch of humans on that dirt-farming planet, right? I guess maybe they weren't allowed to have cats, for some reason. But I dunno. I know what would happen in the United States right now, if someone tried to ban cats. It would get real ugly, real fast, for whoever tried to pull that shit.

So I still say, if Worf hung out with humans for any chunk of time, he should have seen cats. Or at least, like, a shitload of vintage cat memes and videos. Those would still be going around on all the Earth communications networks, for sure. It's a huge part of human culture.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

You can't just bring cats to random planets, they're invasive.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Gault has very restrictive interplanetary customs laws protecting songbirds and people with cat allergies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Gault outsources their songbird protection to these guys so you really don't want to fuck around importing a feline species:

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

fwiw: the United States also doesn't exist when Worf was growing up. that country (like many others) ceased to exist during/after WWIII.

anyway, that's not to say Worf had never seen a cat, but that doesn't mean he'd ever interacted with one or had any familiarity with them. I've known humans today who are completely clueless about them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. But humans and cats do. A little nuclear war and political rearranging won't make anyone willing to give up cats.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

sure, but like i said, Worf didn't really live on Earth that long, and there may not really be that many cats living off-world. Even still, since Klingons mostly see pets as food, it wouldn't make a lot of sense for Worf to have grown up getting too familiar with them, especially while struggling with his "warrior identity".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not to keep arguing, but he understood that pet targs were a thing. Although, now that I think about it, I don't know if they eventually eat those, too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Klingons regularly eat targ. Keeping them as pets is like humans keeping a pig as a pet. Some people do it, but it’s uncommon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I guess so. I was wondering how long a pet targ might be kept, and now I recall that Martok said he'd had his old targ "since [he] was a boy," up until the point when his wife was moving into his house, and deliberately let him wander out into the woods, or whatever.

So I guess the Klingons who do have pet targs are definitely keeping them as full pets, and not some weird halfway situation, where they're a pet until they get fat enough to eat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

from what we see across all of Trek, pet ownership, in general, simply doesn't seem as popular as it is today. perhaps it went out of fashion and is an eccentricity practiced by the few. perhaps it's simply a biased reflection we experience due to the fact that we mostly only see space-born folx and toting around another living thing with you while trekking across the stars is a terrible inconvenience best avoided. that might explain why the only time we see people with pets, they're almost always a senior staff member/officer with a long-term posting. or some civilian living in a house on a planet.

remember, Riker was first tasked with watching Spot for Data, and he couldn't handle it at all- and he was 100% human who grew up on Earth. Geordi flat-out refused to even try looking after Spot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You make some excellent points. I mean, who was the one person who instantly got along with Spot and had zero problems catsitting? Fuckin' Barclay. Broccoli himself. The weirdest motherfucker in space.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

and, in the end, Barclay lived on Earth-- with a cat of his own.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

That's a cat? And it is meant to be a pet? That you keep alive?

I thought that was live food meant for eating. Those things are delicious!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (3 children)

That drawing just looks like Tina from Bob's burgers

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Bob's Gagh.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Human butts are too...fragile.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Don't have a crap attack

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm all for people being highly pedantic on a forum designed for that type of stuff but common guys, this was just shallow writing for a quick plot point or lazy comic relief.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Well, yeaaahh, but the point is having fun with all of the above. Doesn't cost ya no latinum. In the words of an ancient pre-warp cultural documentary, "Don't Be a Hater While Drinking Your Juice In the Hood".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Worf: "I am told I was raised on Earth."

Worf's parents were the super-sheltering homeschool types.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

They were "teddy bear with fangs" people, not cat people.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

When in Rome, Mr. Worf.

When where, sir?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Wasn't there a bit of backfilling lore that Earth's feline population died as a side effect of an biological weapon released during the eugenics wars? They couldn't bring back the genus because of the ban on genetic engineering. That's why Worf didn't know the word. ....that would make Spot the rarest animal in the galaxy. Or he's not a domestic cat at all......

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

i remember reading a reddit post several years back postulating that the most rational - and horrifying - explanation was that Spot was, in fact, several different cats in a series, all named "Spot", representing Datas various failures in pet ownership, and that whenever we saw a "different" one, it was because the previous "Spot" had met some inglorious end off-screen.

:'(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oh god. The first thing that came to mind was how many "feline supplement" variants Data had programmed into the replicator. The way they're numbered implies that there were at least 221 of them.

Maybe some of them were WAY TOO EXPERIMENTAL.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well, this motherfucker DID switch sexes, turn into an iguana, and suspiciously look like four or five very different orange cats, over the years. So, ya know, you might be onto something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

He's either a spy for Q or...he's a Tribble with legs and has another Tribble superglued to his butt.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Îf I know what a woolly mammoth is, he should know what a cat is.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Excellent point, but you're a Lemming, you're highly literate. Federation Standard might be his second language, I speak a decent amount of Spanish and I don't know the Spanish word for "woolly mammoth". 🐂

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

He carries around a universal translator

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I just spent a while thinking how to say "woolly mammoth" in my second language, only to realise it's "woolly mammoth". English is my second language.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hi there, slightly off topic, but speaking of translators, I recently saw the Discovery ep. where the translator is broken and I realized not everyone on the ship speaks Federation Standard. And now I can't stop imagining Picard speaking French the whole time on TNG.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Or everyone using native regional accents instead of Received Pronunciation....it would be glorious chaos, worthy of a season closer/opener two parter....."Dorme vous....Data....dorme vous."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Now I'm imagining that Scotty's accent is the best the universal translator can manage to do with what's actually a stream of incomprehensible Scottish gibberish.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Oh, I like that. That's fully in my head-canon, now. Scotty is blasting out waves of full-on Scots lingo, and the computer is barely able to chew through it.

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