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I hate to say it, but I think to most people I probably look like a chud. Anyone who has known me for more than 4 seconds knows I'm not, but I'm afraid I still visibly give off that vibe. I'm a man, or think I'm probably nonbinary tbh, but I still present and appear fully masculine, close to 40, full beard and mostly just wear plain dark t-shirts with no logo and dark jeans. I do have shoulder-length long hair, but so have plenty of chuds I've been acquainted with. I don't have any sense of style and have never tried to learn or care about fashion, but no disrespect to those who do.

I probably shouldn't care, but I hate knowing that when I'm around people they probably think I'm a reddit gamer or worse. Should I try to change my appearance or should I just learn not to give shit? Does anyone else here worry about that?

I'm also going to be getting glasses in the next few days and have to decide on a frame. What should I get to try to minimize chud appearance? I have kind of a squarish face but maybe a bit rounder now as I get older. Do certain kinds of glasses scream redditor or chud? Any advice on what I should go for is welcome.

Edit- Thank you for the advice to everyone who commented I really appreciate it. I am afraid I might have given the wrong impression on some of it so to clarify, I'll just quote one of my responses

I do want to look unassuming. I'm pretty bad with social anxiety and most of the time I just want to go unnoticed. But I worry even that in going unnoticed I'll give off the wrong impression. Chud is an extreme I probably shouldn't have used because I don't think anyone would ever look at me and think gun totin' confederate flag waving chud or wannabe cop or some shit.

The worry is looking more like the aloof redditor, new athiest or even altright leaning brand of chud, or maybe I'm using the word chud wrong. As far as the nonbinary thing, that's a lot to get into, but just as far as dress style, I don't really want to look masculine OR feminine. I used to wear more feminine coded things when I was younger, but these days I feel like the plainer the better. I do have some leftist t-shirts, but I save those for certain occasions or when I'm going to be around certain people, or even trying to do leftist signaling without libs knowing with my All Cats are Beautiful shirt. Most of the time all I wear is a plain dark color with NO messaging at all not even a visible logo. I guess it's less that I want to indicate my politics and more that I don't want to announce the wrong politics when I'm just going about my day.

To be totally honest, I posted mostly because of the glasses I'll be getting and I don't want frames that make me look like Vaush.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ear ring? You can get ones you don't need to pierce for, and most chuds don't wear them, especially if they look "girly".

Cute scarves/bandanas, especially if they're colorful or patterned differently.

If you are into that, loud print or colored shirts on top of your t shirts? It's the nb special for a reason.

As to glasses, maybe something with a thicker frame, or a non-traditional shape (e.g. Round) will make your face look less aggressive. Definitely avoid anything sporty-looking or Oakley-adjacent.

All of this being said, I think we have to be aware about the way we present to the world, and accommodate other people for it, without taking it personally. I present male most of the time (because it's easier and I feel safer), and I am aware that if I'm walking on the street and I'm behind a woman, she has a reasonable justification to be suspicious of me.

I'm not a predator, and it sucks that a random stranger feels threatened by my presence, but I realize that I can do is cross the street or take a detour, so the person feels safer. Privilege, even if it's only perceived by others, can make not privileged people feel uneasy, so it's up to the privileged to either remove themselves from the situation, or go out of their way to signal they're not a threat, and more importantly, learn to accept when people still treat them like a threat because of their privilege.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

A former coworker had this problem, some of the people I work with would say some transphobic shit about me behind my back to him and he’d tell them off

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

I would say that you shouldn't care what others think about your clothes, but you should care about what you wear. I've seen people wear some very interesting outfit choices, but the person just looked like they were supposed to be there. They put some thought into their choices and it showed, even if it was something I personally wouldn't wear. If you like a certain article of clothing, build around it. If you like dark colors, add some greys to contrast the dark tones. You could also add an accessory or two for style points

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, as a fellow white guy approaching 40 with very traditionally masculine tastes and interests you really aren't going to be able to avoid it. People who know you will know and that's all that super matters.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

And chuds will lower their guard around you so you can punch them easier.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

I think just the barest little counter-messaging could still be helpful if that's your concern. You don't need to wear a hat with "marg bar amerikkka" printed on four sides, but a little rainbow wristband or something will get a message across to most people without drawing a huge amount of attention unless you're in a really chuddy place.

Personally I think most people probably profile me as like a channer or a drug dealer, but well, I think that most people aren't going to make very grave assumptions about you and if you aren't a chud, it'll probably become obvious if you just behave in a manner that shows even an interest in being empathetic to them. You come across as gentle enough -- partly for asking this question at all -- so I think most people aren't going to stubbornly hold on to an image of you as a rightist, and those that do (because of trauma or something, I'd expect) aren't going to be persuaded by you wearing an earring.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Contrary idea, go full barbarian but Chinese flags

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Should I try to change my appearance or should I just learn not to give shit?

Dress how you want to comrade, whatever you're comfortable in. You're probably worrying about something that's not really necessary.

May your field of fucks to give be barren.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

it's the haircut. don't get the kind of Nazi cut that Andrew Schultz has, for example.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

on the plus side you get to defy expectations when new people meet you. that’s always pretty fun

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

I probably shouldn't care

This is correct.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honest question.

Do chuds look like dumb footbal fans with big trucks and Bud Lights talking about Merica assholes or like the Nothing Ever Happens meme guy? I always figured it was the former.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Different flavors of chud, I run into both pretty regularly though I think the latter are more likely to be conscious of their shit beliefs and buy into them because of the cruelty

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From your description you sound more metal than chud.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

I hope so. 90s grunge was more my default even if I missed that scene by long shot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you make this face, stop making this face frothingfash

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Resting chud face

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

ooooooooooooooh Then how else am I supposed to greet the clerk at the grocery store checkout counter?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You're probably worrying about something that isn't there. I sincerely doubt anyone is gonna assume youre a chud just cause of that look. A lot of perfectly cool people also rock that look. If i could be bold I think the commonality with chuds that you're worried about is having no sense of style. All black clothes and no logo just sounds like people would think youre into metal based on the rest of your look.

So if you wanna keep going on the sol black thing and make thet work that's how I dress so i can say what I do at least. My shirts are either borderline rags or black button up dress shirts. I cut the collar and at least half the sleeve off of em, theyre also mostly punk band shirts. I'll get into making your own graphics later. For pants, skinny is best, baggy black pants kinda just look like a blob cause its harder to see the folds and stuff that can make baggy lighter pants look cooler (im anti baggy for pants regardless but I get a baggy blue jean better than a baggy black jeans. Having a jacket that goes with most of what you wear also rules. I recommend getting 2 nice black jeans jackets that fit good and turning one into a vest for summer time. Then you're all black but the different fabric and tones will add some distinction. I don't give a shit about shoes, but don't wear white ones with all black unless you need to. I mostly wear nondescript non slip sneakers that I get tax write-offs for cause of my job and have engineer boots that are the only thing I shelled out any real money for.

For graphics id start by learning to stencil and then see if anywhere in your town has a screen printing workshop you could take part in. Or just buy the gear. Its worth it.

For stencils, make or find a design and make it stencil friendly. In grocery stores around the plastic wraps and stuff you can find something called freezer paper, its cheap af and the important part is its waxed on just one side. So you can draw your design on the unwaxed side, cut it out with an exacto knife and then use an iron or even just a the bottom of a pot you heated up a bit on the stove to melt the waxed side down. Then you can just go over it with a paint roller. The wax will keep the paint from seeping through l. Just make sure to seal around the graphic real good for clean lines. You can get fabric paint at any art store, it costs a bit but you can dilute it with regular cheap acrylic to 2/3rds acrylic although you'll get a top layer that will either flake or wash off, what's underneath should be sturdy. I still have patches and stuff I made back in high school 20 years ago that look fine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If i could be bold I think the commonality with chuds that you're worried about is having no sense of style

This is it exactly. You nailed what the concern really is.

As for the rest, that is really detailed awesome advice thank you. Hopefully at some point I will want to actually develop some sort of style and what you're describing is in line with what I imagined that might be like, so I'm saving this comment and hopefully referring back to it. But for the moment, I just wanted to not be too visible while also not giving off a redditor vibe, but maybe that's not possible. Might be one of those things a person just has to put the work into if they don't want to garner the wrong impressions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

If you're having fun with it, that comes through and can be enough until you get a look locked down. Person Trying Out a Look when they're out there trying to to get a feel for it is nice to see. For the most part the amount people don't give a shit how you look is pretty amazing, everyone has their own shit to deal with. They'll either enjoy that youre playing dress up or who needs em?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Engineer boot punx rise up. I almost exclusively wear black vans and its such an adjustment to wear clunky boots lol I love them so much though. Who do you get hours from? Or have you just lucked out with hand me downs/thrift shops?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Went in on an order with a friend over a decade ago. Not sure where from. Its the only article of clothes aside from socks or underwear I haven't gotten from a roadside giveaway box in about that long as well. I live in a college town so at the end of each semester theres major scores. I got a fantastic double breasted peacoat from a box that had been my main winter jacket for years. It's high quality af and was just missing a button. There's a pointless strap on the back with 4 buttons that aren't doing anything, I just took 3 off and put one on the important part.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago

I've never gone out for hippie christmas I really should've done it this year, I have friends who have found like $300 boots and guitars and shit in the dumpsters. People are so wasteful but at least they were come ups for someone else

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The most time efficient thing you can do is paint your fingernails. It's easy, CHUDs don't paint their nails, they don't require much maintenance, and you can keep all your regular clothes. You can even just do black fingernail paint and you still will get rid of chud energy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Only paint thumbnails because it's more than enough

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You are enough as you are now and you should be kinder to yourself.

Now for some suggestions:

Regarding glasses I suggest getting two pairs, if possible, for the purpose of redundancy. If one is broken or gets lost having a second pair will prevent it from becoming a catastrophe. One of those pairs should be fun. Fun can mean a lot of things, it can be an interesting shape or an uncommon color or something else. There are guides out there about matching face shape to lens shape but its all up to you, trust your judgement.

Accessories! 4th Reich dudes dont really go around with bracelets and necklaces, and they tend to avoid piercings. If you want to get your ears pierced its inexpensive, the aftercare is easy and the healing process is quick, plus there are a zillion options for earrings. If you've ever considered something more adventureous like a brow piercing or what have you, go for it! It can be a very liberating experience.

Pins are very explicitly state where you stand and what you believe in. Its extremely rare to be challenged for whatever pins youre wearing and it is very common to recieve compliments over them. I can personally attest that many trans people notice, and greatly appreciate it when people wear symbols that indicate their allyship.

I also think that you (and many others) would benefit from developing a personal sense of style. Confidence in the way one presents themselves translates into confidence in general. It's easier than you might think, although it takes time and a little effort. I have some pointers on that if youre interested.

Addendum: yes also wearing masks is a pretty strong signal AND they serve a practical purpose. Its really nice basically never getting sick.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Big back on personal sense of style. And that can be something that other people have done if it works for you. Im certainly not doing anything new. I either look like a crust punk or a memer of the ocelot unit from mgs3 minus headgear. My standard punk look is actually even a bit different than the more modern 1000 stud count kawakami worship and more late 80s to early crust look. Less studs and band shirts more dry rotting old denim and black button ups that are missing a sleeve or whatever

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A hammer and sickle tattoo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

A tattoo of a full-sized poster from the Cultural Revolution down the front of their torso

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

A tattoo of Yahya Sinwar's face like the shark in that one Slammer meme

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm also going to be getting glasses in the next few days and have to decide on a frame. What should I get to try to minimize chud appearance? I have kind of a squarish face but maybe a bit rounder now as I get older. Do certain kinds of glasses scream redditor or chud? Any advice on what I should go for is welcome.

I feel like the right pair of glasses can "soften" your look enough to look less chuddy. I personally like ones with keyhole bridges, rounder shapes, and tortoise shell style plastic, but your personal taste can vary. I'd say just be willing to be a little more adventurous with your frames - maybe even pick a fun color or odd shape if that appeals to you!

I tend to think there's a certain type of rectangular rimless glasses that read stemlord redditor, and the oakley wraparound style reads very chud to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Thanks, that's the kind of advice I was hoping for about the frames. Yeah I should just pick something that seems a little off kilter, I just don't know what that is even.

I tend to think there's a certain type of rectangular rimless glasses that read stemlord redditor

That's what I mean. I have an old pair of glasses someone else picked out for me exactly like that and that is exactly the kind of vibe I want to avoid. A while back on one of the few good leftist subs someone posted a pic of themselves and people were saying to lose the redditor glasses and that the poster looked like (cw) Vaush. But I all was thinking when I saw the pic was "shit, he looks like me!"

Since then I was thinking I should just go with Barce Belden style glasses next time. brace-watching

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