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I recently finished the episode of The Verge's podcast #Decoder with the interview to Bluesky's CEO and it seems a quite interesting project. At the beginning I wasn't looking really into it because of their choice of using a new protocol instead of the existing ActivityPub, but after listening to her and the reasons behind this choice maybe I'll give them a chance.

What do you think? Do you use it alongside with the fediverse?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I was on there, but it seems to me to basically full of the neoliberal crowd that left X when Musk took over. Too much snark IMO.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

My take is that they wanted to do things differently after extensive research. People here get their panties in a bunch but they talked about why, it’s as much culturally as it was technically. They wanted to mirror a more web like experience and some of the experiences mirrored on Big Social platforms. It makes sense to not tether user identities to instances, that’s not real freedom, especially when data portability is poor and there’s not true account migration on fedi. Fedi doesn’t really empower the individual and many people are oddly critical of Bluesky individualism, yet that’s how the dominant online experience is and more so mirrors real life. People come from Big Social platforms that are driven by their individual experiences so their transition to Bluesky is more natural than it would be on Mastodon. In neither place do you have people telling people how to use their own damn accounts! But, that happens on Mastodon Overall, they have some cool ideas and concepts, I’m happy to see any ideas and spaces that lessen the strong armed centralised grip of Big Social.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Venture capital backed project. That's enough for me to avoid when non-corporate options exist. Tired of for-profit corporations ruin open source.

There's tangible reasons to avoid it, but the VC thing is enough for me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

love bluesky;; it has a really great trans community on it. plus both artist and romance book twitter moved over to it so i've been having a blast. i go between bsky, threads, and mastodon. i love how threads brought in activitypub support i just wish that bsky would bring in the atproto bridge natively. i'd love to follow bsky users on mastodon like i can threads users

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I'm using it in addition to Mastodon for different communities.

Bluesky has a lot (but far from all) of the old WoW community I was a part of on Twitter. So that's what I mainly use it for.

Mastodon on the other hand I use for pretty much everything else: other gaming, privacy, tech, AuDHD posts, infosec, linux etc.

Different horses, different courses.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Not a form of communication that resinates with me. Not the target audience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean i have a Bsky account, I don't really use the platform since it doesn't seem all that active in comparison to others available.

From my understanding they created it as a escape from the changes they disliked on twitter, but like in my opinion the privacy settings on it are far too simplistic to be able to function properly as a service. I find myself checking basically every other service instead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Seems pretty active to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I've started an account there for cursed images of the govia logo but haven't gotten around to doing anything yet

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I know next to nothing about it, but isn't it created and owned by the dude who created twitter? I don't trust it one bit. There must be some trap somewhere.
Only one entity develops bluesky. AP has many implementations and room to grow. My expectation is that there's a plan to make a change to the protocol once they have enough marketshare that will make it much less open.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I know next to nothing about it, but isn’t it created and owned by the dude who created twitter? I don’t trust it one bit.

jack dorsey was initially just on the board of directors, but he didn't create or own it.

bsky and atptoto is all open source: https://github.com/bluesky-social

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I dunno but nobody's on it so I can post tons of funny embarrassing shit. No one follow me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I like that you can create and share custom feeds. I have an account because someone made one for gift article links (no paywall)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

That would be nice for the Fediverse. I'd follow that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I use it alongside.
Eventually with bridges that are surely coming or with their PDS self-hosting architecture, I'll just post using my own infrastructure as I do with ActivityPub and Hubzilla/Friendica/Wordpress now.

We can have more than one place, as long as its still decentralized-- And the only central place within a unified Fediverse should be your own little space within, whether it's an asteroid or a whole galaxy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

It’s federated but not really decentralized. I don’t know if it’s planned down the road to be interoperable with servers that don’t rely on its master server for identity or not.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It's still funded by ads and governed by algorithm recommendations, right? Even if they had perfect moderation, which is difficult to decide on anyway, it's still got the same incentives as Twitter, which means it will inevitably become Twitter. They want you to spend more time on it to make more money, so they show you things most likely to get a reaction out of you, which means they're showing you things designed to get you angry and respond. Mastodon is much nicer for giving everyone equal billing and allowing you to modify that by following people you want to hear from most.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

they have a following feed but they also let users create their own algorithmic "feeds", too which is really nice.

https://blueskyfeeds.com/en

they also open sourced their moderation engine so third party users can create labelling engines: https://www.engadget.com/bluesky-will-let-users-run-their-own-moderation-services-230017647.html

they also have their own trust and safety and in house moderation teams though (and transphobia usually gets taken down really quickly). they also have moderation lists that people can create that people can subscribe to so accounts on those lists get automatically muted or blocked for you as long as you subscribe to the list. like i'm subscribed to three lists by kairi (@estrogenempress.gay) which keep transphobes, bigots, and anti gay people automatically blocked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Well, if what she says in the interview is the truth they don't plan to make money with ads, but with a cut on their marketplace of algorithms &co + with custom handles (aka custom domains)

So yeah, maybe it will not end up like Twitter

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Bluesky has no ads, and a chronological feed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No ads ... Yet.

It was funded by venture capitalists that demand payback.

They are currently in enshittification stage 1 where everything is wonderful and free. The users have not been monetized yet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's not their business plan.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is worth noting that what they posted in their business plan in July 23 (1) differs quite a bit from what Jay Graber mentioned as their business plan in an interview with The Verge in Feb 24 (2), which again differs on quite a few points from what Jay Graber mentioned in a podcast with The Verge in March 24 (3).

(1): https://bsky.social/about/blog/7-05-2023-business-plan (2): https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/6/24062837/bluesky-drops-invite-system-begins-federation-at-protocol (3): https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/25/24108872/bluesky-ceo-graber-federation-social-media-decoder-interview

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the links!

Just FYI, Lemmy markdown for numbered lists is as follows:

  1. First line
  2. Second line
  3. Third line

Is PieFed markdown different?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I read their posted business plan, and there is no way on God's green earth that what they have in their business plan will raise the money they need.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Huh, interesting. What's their business model then, and how do they plan to scale?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I cant do microblogging its not my cup of tea. Bsky seems like it's full of the people who cared to much about a blue checkmark. If their fedi protocol is proprietary then the whole thing is trash imo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

What do you mean with proprietary? 'Cause atproto is foss, but yeah atm Bluesky kinda controls it (even if in the interview she said they would like to move it to a third party regulator in the future)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

As has already been discussed, there were attempts at bridges for the two protocols with pretty rough outcomes.

I dont really care if bluesky joins the fediverse but I‘m not going to change protocols because its too much work and gives too much control to them having a proprietary protocol and therefore reversing the good the fedi is doing.

They can join imo but thats it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Personally I don't understand the appeal of microblogs outside of making dumb 1-liner jokes. Which you can do on other social media, too. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

It's a notification service for everything you care about.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Quick, up to the minute updates from sources you want to be sure you hear from. That could be a YouTuber, a musician, a public transit service, or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As a normie replacement for Twitter, from what I’ve seen so far, it doesn’t seem that bad, especially in comparison to Threads. I’m somewhat reserving judgement until it’s more clear what the platform’s long-term trajectory is. It definitely seems to have way less alt-right shit on it than Twitter these days, which is a big mark in its favor tbh.

But as a primary platform, it’s not for me. I’ve come to love lemmy and the extremely strong community-driven OSS aspect. I’ll be sticking around here for sure. I only interact peripherally with Bluesky.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Ah, this is why I don't know what Bluesky is. I had no interest in Twitter, so shrugs whatever

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

It's waaaay too polite and clean, to the point of self righteousness. Twitter is still more fun, but it leans too far in the other direction.

Lemmy was too self righteous at first too. People acting like we came here because reddit users were bigots... no, it's because spez is a greedy bastard who ruined the site.

So I think bluesky might become cool like lemmy when people finally relax.

Twitter > BlueSky > Mastodon

Personally I think we should all use the kbin microblog.

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