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What is the difference between cellular data being used on my phone and cellular data being used on my notebook? Data is data.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

max 128kbps

TMobile doesn't have a hard throttle, but they'll cut priority under congestion so that if wherever you are has someone else vying for the bandwidth, they get first shot.

Frankly, given that the limited resource is the cell bandwidth, that seems like a more reasonable way to go. It doesn't hurt them much if someone wants available bandwidth and there's no contention for it from others.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

not to be a shill, but i have xfinity mobile, and they gave me unlimited tethering. there is service degradation at some point, but i haven't ever hit it or if i have i haven't noticed it.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What is the difference between cellular data being used on my phone and cellular data being used on my notebook?

The difference is the cellular company's profits amount.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They had this restriction in the UK where the networks would prevent hotspots from actually working. You had to buy a special additional package.

Restriction has now vanished and there are no such limits on usage. Not sure if the Regulator intervened but it was most certainly a cash grab.

These days they still manage to rip us off by annual contract increases of RPI+3.9%. That applies even during a 2 year contract.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your data is unlimited, the SPEED of the data is not. ;)

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've had great success getting around these restrictions.

CalyxOS + Always on VPN (mullvad)

The secret sauce is using a Android version that allows you to share your VPN with hotspotting. I believe only calyxos and lineage allow you to do this. Since the VPN client is running on the phone, all the traffic that originates from the phone will look like phone data, with the appropriate time to live, OS fingerprinting, etc.

This can't be done on stock Android, because it does not allow the VPN to be shared over tethering. So tethering traffic will not getting capsulated on the VPN client. There's a security argument for this, but I prefer the user flexibility of allowing all the traffic to get VPNed.

It's still possible to do this without VPN sharing on the phone, you can use normal tethering on a unlocked phone, like stock Android. You just have to modify the traffic signature to look like whatever the carrier is looking for. Setting the appropriate time to live, using a VPN, and doing other OS fingerprinting tricks to keep the traffic consistent. It's much easier to use a ROM that lets you share the VPN

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Great tip.

Time to live (TTL) or hop limit is a mechanism which limits the lifespan or lifetime of data in a computer or network. TTL may be implemented as a counter or timestamp attached to or embedded in the data. Once the prescribed event count or timespan has elapsed, data is discarded or revalidated. In computer networking, TTL prevents a data packet from circulating indefinitely. In computing applications, TTL is commonly used to improve the performance and manage the caching of data.

Hmm kinda makes sense

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Using a phone purchased through them or unlocked? Locked phones will have proprietary bullshit to check if you are using a hotspot

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You see, this is why we need net neutrality

EDIT: see, im glad someone else said it already

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Net neutrality really wouldn’t stop this, just make them reword the limit.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is why I love Google Fi. I go anywhere on earth, and I have coverage. Unlimited everything. Never worry about nothing, ever, and has carrier bonding for when you're really out there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is the Unlimited Plus plan. Their Simply Unlimited plan throttles you after 5 GB of hotspot usage, but phone data is unlimited.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

TMobile provides literally the same services, beat-for-beat at a lower price.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People don't think these things through. Google can't possibly be cheaper than a wireless carrier because they don't own any towers. Wireless carriers will make sure Google doesn't sell cheaper than they can sell it themselves.

Also, things like Metro PCS (before T-Mobile bought them) just have lower network priority. So "cheaper" just means crappy service. Good luck making a phone call at a sporting event or concert.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They absolutely can, several carriers who use other carriers are cheaper than who they lease service from. They won't be paying consumer prices to use those towers.

It all depends on what margins they have, what extra services they provide, and whether they have other ways of monetizing you. They might even be reselling at a loss to boost their initial market share. In Google's case, it's safe to assume they want your data and sacrifice some margins to get it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I can't be bothered to research every plan to answer this question, but Mint Mobile was dirt cheap while using T-Mobile service. They probably still are, but it arguably doesn't count anymore since T-Mobile acquired them.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google Fi will throttle you after you hit a limit depending on your plan. I unknowingly hit mine after using my phone for a hotspot, watching a few hours of soccer and I think Windows downloaded a bunch of updates too. It was towards the beginning of the billing cycle so the rest of the month really sucked. Might want to double check your plan.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Were you downloading more ram or was that all BaNano faucet

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd have a lot of fun trying to get around it. For example, if the phone and the computer were on the same non-Internet-connected wifi network, and you set up an SSH server to send outbound requests through the 4G modem, would they be able to find out you're using the hotspot?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I'd just try to disguise the traffic as coming from something else. Someone further down says just switching to an OS that doesn't actively snitch does the trick, but if you really wanted you could make your requests look like just about anything, given added volume is free.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are a ton of methods carriers use to detect hotspot traffic, from the device itself handling the categorization, to TTL values attached to requests, to other very clever network sniffing strategies.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Every method I've encountered in the past was thwarted by a good ole VPN. This was all on unlocked or rooted phones though so YMMV work carrier phones.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Unlimited with a limit

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