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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because they want to grow as an individual lol.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Or people just want different things from life.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

We don't do it for the purpose of increasing responsibility. I mean , I didn't, maybe other people do. I just really wanted a couple little mini monsters following me around.

When I was like 30, I was out hiking and I saw some guy with three little kids, the kids were hopping from rock to rock, and the littlest one ran up past the siblings to hold the dad's hand. It was super cute. My parents were kinda uninterested and afk, so I haven't seen a lot of examples of dads just having fun with their kids.

That little family was inspiring, in the sense that it opened my mind to a new way of thinking, but also in the sense of taking in breath, it felt like I had been holding my breath and finally stopped. I realized I didn't necessarily have to be like them, I could use their bad/mediocre parenting as a "what not to do" list, and still do some of the things that they did that were good. I could go hiking with my kids, I could teach them how to build a campsite out of nothing, or how to build a server, or how to put your thumb on the end of a house so it sprays really far.

Sure it's more responsibility but it's also really fun.

And, tbh, all the nice things in life are even nicer if you can share it with people. That goes double for kids, because they don't know how shitty the world is. You just gotta make sure they understand and appreciate the fun stuff and don't get spoiled.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Do you have anything you care about? I take on volunteer tasks for causes I care about. Other people care about family, their workplace, etc. It just seems like you aren't strongly motivated by anything besides personal comfort?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Because you're smart.

Sincerely,

Overworked middle manager

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Different concepts of self, maybe, learned from your childhood.

Perhaps you have a limited mindset: suppose you have a happy, productive day of work/effort, and at the end of the day you are tired; on the following day, do you need to rest and rejuvenate because you worked so hard the prior day, or do you work even harder because your efforts from the prior day give you momentum and confidence to keep going?

Another thing to consider is, where do you get your self validation? So, like, were you raised with an internal focus or an external focus? Do you give your best effort and attention working toward your own approval and satisfaction, or do you work toward the approval of others?

As a kid, was it instilled in you that you were inadequate, lacking, or behind your peers in some way? If so, I expect you will spend the rest of your life feeling that way. And when things happen that contradict that, like even when you donate great job on something, if that doesn't match watch was instilled in you, you experience cognitive dissonance, and your brain literally stops you from counting your successess and strengths, because it's uncomfortable to think of yourself as adequate and complete.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps they value different things in life. Everyone is not the same, what works for you won't work for everyone. There are people who enjoy having responsibility. Having children, being a manager and doing charity work feels fulfilling to them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Until they say they are over their head and start complaining they have no free time in a very negative tone to all of their childless/non managerial friends and guilt tripping on how they should do the same. “When are you having kids?”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do childless, non-managerial people have no complaints in life? Most things aren't perfect. It doesn't mean they're not also fulfilling.

On the other hand, some people just like to complain. The comment you're making just lacks some nuance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know these types. There's nothing stopping them from having the kids babysat or to take a day off, but they'd rather be able to hit people over the head with the victim complex even though they put themselves into their position knowingly and without hesitation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Half the people I work with have kids and, if you complain about anything at all around them, they always have some way to minimize it and one up you. Got three hours of sleep? Well, with their kids, they only sleep 30 minutes a night on a bed of nails under a running stream of volcanic temp water. Starving because work is crazy, you haven't eaten all day, and it's 7pm? With their kids busy schedules, they only eat once a fortnight, on the toilet, crying into they're meal which only consists of bread crusts their kids didn't want. Like, sorry, I forgot I'm not allowed to suffer around you people because you made a life decision that requires extra effort on a daily basis.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Volunteering is incredibly rewarding, even if it adds to my responsibility. Time devoted to a hobby is incredibly rewarding....even if it takes my time.

The reward is worth the sacrifice.

Certainly better use of my time than sitting around watching tv

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The reward is worth the sacrifice.

It's funny how some people treat responsibility. It's like they are trying to convince me that brushing teeth is "worth sacrifice". I totally agree and I'll probably need to bring this topic to therapy.

Take having kids, for example. You have kids, but you have to earn a fortune, you have to change pampers and you have to regulate yourself emotionally not to fuck up their psyche. It's not that I don't want to have kids because I don't value kids over these chores, it's just I'm afraid if I don't do these chores, I'll be responsible for their shitty future.

Brushing teeth is totally worth doing, but if I one day don't feel like it - it's not a problem.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't let those other parents fool you, we ALL have don't feel like it days. You can just take more of them as the kids get older.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

i got a masters,tried to climb the corporate ladder only to realise,i prefer the quiet life,less responsibility and less stress.

i didn't want to be a corporate high flyer after trying to. some people will never know until they try and some couldn't get out because they went with the flow and got stuck.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Same boat. I’m currently a software engineer. Colleagues have joked in the past that I’ll make my way as a manager or something, but the reality is that I’m more than fine remaining in this position the rest of my career. I’m fortunate enough that I’m fine with the money I make. I’m fine with my responsibilities, including the flexibility I have with my time. Not to mention that I enjoy doing actual development type work.

It would have to be a significant amount of money for me to even think about accepting any management roles.

I would entertain a lead type role (lead software engineer or principal software engineer, etc), but management personally is off the table.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This. I'm currently a CTO. Planning my next move to be a developer, not management of any kind.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you find some spare time.

I would love to know how you rose to that position and what the work was like.

Sincerely, A developer who feels the upper rungs on the ladder is a good way to make meaningful change

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

i consider to some degree, actively avoiding responsibility as a form of responsibility.

For instance, if you know that you can't be a good parent, then don't. Some people just have different priorities, and if yours are simply enjoying life, then fuck it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

I used to avoid extra responsibilities, and I still don't have kids, and I don't do charity. In the past moving to stressful positions was financially motivated. But my current job as a patient advocate is extremely rewarding to me. It's the first time I felt I had a job that meant something and I am fulfilled by making impact in individual lives. I've had people call me a life-saver, and have had patients shed tears after I was able to help them. Sometimes my job is not so great, and some things are routine and go by thanklessly, but the moments I am able to be a difference motivates me.

This is the first job I've participated and engaged in more than just the basic requirements, because I see what I do and what my colleagues do as meaningful and valuable, beyond making a CEO their paycheck. I go as far in my job to actually reduce GDP I suppose, steering people towards options that are best for them, even if they don't generate direct profits for my company. I feel like a real person here, and that's why I take on more responsibilities. (it also will help me financially in the long run, but that is less of a primary factor for me now)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Because for many people maturing into an adult means taking on and fulfilling responsibilities. It gives many people meaning and satisfaction, often not at the individual moment, but over the course of a life.

Others don't feel that way.

A third category think they don't feel that way, but realize too late that they do.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

interesting how you only see the third category going one way

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Interesting that it bothered you enough to comment on it.

I've worked in hospice care in the past. I'm sure there are people that regret taking on responsibility in their life, but the most desperate people I encountered were the ones that realized that they are at the end of their life and realized that they will never have the opportunity to "finally" take on challenges and/or responsibility.

Imagine a panic attack that doesn't go away because the time you have left is measured in days, weeks, or maybe months, you know it, and there is nothing you can do to address a lifetime of regret, which intensifies the panic.

Usually the best that can be done at that point is "comfort care," which is drugs. And I would just see them cry, fade, cry, fade, cry, fade, and then die alone. It's horrifying to see, and it sticks with you.

Life isn't a movie or game, and no one is the main character.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, experiencing that is a horror I wouldn't wish on anyone. That's a true nightmare.

I don't think having kids of my own is in my future, I hope I can live my life with enough intent and purpose to avoid this date. Thank you both for this thread, it's gotten me thinking.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I think our culture teaches many of us that a good life means excelling and success in all facets of life. If you win everything, surely you would be happy!

IMO the trick is to realize that you have a budget for your attention and energy. Figure out what matters to you, not what you are supposed to care about. Figure out what future you will be glad you did.

For me, this involved leaning into some responsibilities that bring me joy (family, pets, learning for its own sake, hobbies, etc). It meant not putting as much mental energy into things that I’m supposed to be very concerned about because life reasons, but which are neutral to negative on my actual mental state (get into management, focus on learning job-related or money-making things, size of house/cars/yard, etc).

Don’t get me wrong, I love my job and I work with great people. But at the same time, for a couple years now, I’ve spent more time thinking about upgrades to the pond in my back yard than my career development. And I wouldn’t be writing this if I wasn’t better for it.

Standard disclaimer: we are all different. Somebody who gets genuine fulfillment from hammering away at their career is not necessarily a bad thing.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In short, because people have different values and are motivated by different things.

Doing something that aligns with your values can be deeply fulfilling! Faith, charity, community, financial independence, respect etc.

Note that there isn't anything objectively right or wrong about this, or the things that people value, it just is. You might value solitude and rest.

Head to personalvalu.es for examples of values.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Thank you for the link. That site was really helpful 🙂

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