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[–] Goodie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think people love to hate Steve. The one thing people love more than a great figurehead, is hating one. I think that Steve had a great internal model of how to combine form/function.

iPhone wasn't the first smartphone, but it may as well have been. It brought the smartphone to the mass market.

Part of it was a great advertising campaign, which unlike the smartphones at the time, pitched it as a luxury good as opposed to an executive enterprise one. You owned a blackberry to answer emails wherever and whenever you were, you owned an iphone so you can check Google Maps. A large part of it was redefining both the form factor, and use case of a smartphone.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure the main reason people hate Jobs is because by all accounts he was an absolute ass and was objectively a wackadoodle when it came to that homeopathic healing shit and not showering.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 264 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

People need to stop holding Jobs up as some deity of tech. He was a marketing and hype man that was in the right place at the right time and knew how to take advantage of that luck. Nothing more, nothing less. It is equally possible his leadership style would have squandered the opportunities Apple has had since his death had it been him and not Cook in charge.

By any metric other than "line must always go up" Apple is doing just fine.

"Oh no, they haven't found another multi hundred billion dollar product to release since the iPhone, even though there are no signs that the iPhone won't continue to be a very profitable business for years and years to come...better go dig up Steve jobs, shove a stick up his back, magic his corpse back to life, and beg him to save the shareholders profit margins", the horror.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This article is garbage. The only thing that Steve Jobs did was have ideas and enough narcissism to force them on other people. Engineers and designers far smarter than he did the actual work.

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"starting to"

Lol

[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Steve Jobs was an awful person, the brand was already cracked

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 135 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Steve Jobs was a piece of shit human being who contributed nothing to technology.

That said, he was a hell of a skilled bullshitter/marketer. Most people fucking looooove to be bullshitted, and Americans more than most.

It's why we elect virtually no wonks/technocrats, even though thats who we should elect almost exclusively. We'd rather some snake oil motherfucker sell us on magical lies while telling us we're pretty.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wonks/technocrats

...Knowledge Fight-like typing detected?

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[–] thejml@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

It’s also partially because any decent engineer/technocrat both lacks sufficient charisma and cash flow, and more importantly looks at public service and says “there’s no reliable way I can keep my morals and make a difference there.” As an engineer myself, I can’t imagine dealing with the general public. Choosing the correct, logical path will never win over people who put opinions and faith/feelings over reasoning and science. We’ve seen it time and time again and I’m not going to bang my head against that wall.

Instead I help friends and family, contribute to open source and projects I believe in and be the change I want to see in the world. Trying to do that as an elected official would foster insanity and pushback from those who don’t care and only want their side to win, regardless of the overall outcome.

Also: yes SJ was a POS, but he was a POS with charisma, a plan, and smart enough to surround himself with people who could make his ideas happen… and then micromanage them.

[–] parachaye@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

After listening to the recent Behind the Bastards episode on him, yeah absolutely. It's amazing his legacy isn't judged more harshly.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I work in tech and specialize in Apple hardware. I get really sick of industry folks talking about Jobs as being inspiring and other nonsense. No, he was an asshole and we should not celebrate him.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

He's one of those people who died at the right time to preserve their own legacies, before public reckonings for non illegal bad behavior became common.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Harvey Dent: You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself to become the villain.

Steve Jobs: Bet.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I guess he died more or less pre-Twitter, so that's something. He'd have a different legacy otherwise.

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[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I've never complimented, or defended Steve Jobs before, because he was a grade A piece of shit...but, Steve Jobs transformed technology precisely because he was a phenomenal salesman, with a great eye for technical talent.

Just because he wasn't an engineer, doesn't change the fact that he forged Apple into what it became, and that absolutely contributed to modern technology - for better, and worse.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just because he wasn’t an engineer, doesn’t change the fact that he forged Apple into what it became,

I think the big complaint about Jobs is not the lack of engineering skills, but that he got where he did through deception, taking advantage of people, and often treating folks like garbage. Many of us view him as unworthy of celebrating, because the ends don't justify the means.

(There's also the fact that what Apple became was not all good, but perhaps that's a separate discussion.)

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[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The cracks have been visible for a very long time, most fanboys don't want to see them though.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Cracks? Cracks! These are not cracks, these are features of our product. Their features of our business! It's what differentiates us from the fractured Windows and Android communities. You want these crac...err features, you need them because it makes our products better.

/s

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The cracks in this case are really that governments will no longer support the model that Apple created.

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[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Feels more like 20.

[–] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Lol, the crack appeared as soon after his death. Steve Jobs : no ipad air, no dividend for the share holders.

Guess what been announced in the months following his death.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The Apple Car was the hint the wheels fell off, because it was out of scope for Apple's focus. And the Vision Pro is the next biggest one, because Steve haaaaaaated wearable computing.

[–] headroom@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Meh, when you have a chip that powerful and that energy efficient, trying something in wearable computing is a no brainer imo.

[–] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Trying, not releasing

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[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Big companies with no vision of the future are often ripe for disruptive tech to harvest. We'll see what happens. The apple "visio pro"" is not the future of the company.

[–] e8d79@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

Maybe Apple will have their Balmer moment but, as much as I would like to see that, I don't expect it any time soon.

[–] TubeTalkerX@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

His notebook finally empty?

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

His notebook empty. Cook, when the infinite loop fell!

[–] neo@lemmy.hacktheplanet.be 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Now there is a reference I haven’t seen in a looong time. Thank you!

[–] muse@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wozniak, with Jobs at Atari - tamarian for getting taken advantage of in business

[–] muse@fedia.io 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just nothing but pages of "exploit and abuse engineers"

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I never understood the Steve Jobs worship. We knew he was a shithead bully long before he died

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Behind the Bastards just did a great series on him.

I'd never really understood how he could have killed himself with his fruitarian nonsense until I listened, but once you get the pattern of behavior all laid out, well.

RIP, bozo.

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[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 year ago

Yeah but in a person meetings are at an all time high and anonymous sticks of deoderant being left on peoples' desks is at an all time low.

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