What’s the problem with a movie based on a fictional country in Africa with native peoples from the continent being all black?
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Black Panther is a significant contribution to black cinema (in its cultural significance, box office numbers, etc), but it is a single contribution to a long legacy of black cinema that didn’t start with Disney, and isn’t defined by a series of entertaining-but-insubstantial movies, or the current right wing myopia of the moment.
You do not have to have anything. No one is forcing you to go to those movies and no one is forcing you to join Disney's board.
You may not like that there are Marvel movies lead by women or black people but too fucking bad. Especially the latter. Black Panther is a major cash cow.
- Because Disney/Marvel wants more women going to see MCU content. 2. Because it mostly takes place in Africa… And they want more black people going to see MCU content.
I thought this guy was a businessman. He should understand this stuff.
"Businessman" does not imply "smart" anymore. Not even "successful businessman". This is a good example.
Did it ever?
It is synonymous with Capitalist, and we all know the requirement for that. Owning Capital.
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Ah, the next Ike Perlmutter. At least he wants "Marvels that are both", so seems to champion more transgender heroes. (I know transgender persons are not, or not always, both).
"But I have black women friends"
Peltzy probably.
In case anybody else was confused, the character on The Simpsons is Nelson Muntz.
You were confused?
Ha-ha!
This turd is going for the "I'm not sexist, but" and "I'm not racist, but" combo record 🤦
What a fantastic development for the Misogynoir% Category! The run had gotten really stale of late what with so much attention being put on the Transphobia% Run and a lot of us thought that the run had basically been solved and there were no big time saves left to be found in the category. This might even change the routing for the run as a whole! What a time to be a part of the Misogynoir% Run community!
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All this ado about "woke" this and "woke" that by the snowflakes... Pathetic.
If Ridley Scott released Alien today snowflakes would have a complete meltdown—imagine that, a black man and two women (neither of whom look like teen anime waifus, the horror!) in a cast! And the roles were written as gender neutral, for crying out loud!
No... Alien is often used as an example of how to correctly make a strong female character. It's not through lazy writing of a Mary Sue character. Honestly, I think the problem is they don't really have good villains anymore that are a challenge for the hero. It's like they're afraid to show the main character having a weakness or a flaw to overcome.
Oh, snowflakes would absolutely melt. Remember the gamers going "Waaaaa!😭" about The Last Of Us part 2? Or Horizons: Forbidden West?
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And one of the women survives!
The black dude doesn't die first, the women aren't damsels in distress and actually survive and, turns out one of the women is actually trans.
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I see nothing wrong with all female or all PoC casts. Prey for instance (the Predator universe) has an excellent female lead and a great Native cast.
Also this guy is 81, why the hell is he trying to get on the Board of Disney? At that age, working would be the last thing I'd want to do.
Because "working" on a board might require about 10 hours a month of your time, if that. You attend a couple of meetings where people tell you what they are working on, and then approve or reject the decisions they have made. And then you make bank.
I think Prey is the best predator movie of the bunch.
Personally I'd go:
- Predator
- Prey
- Predators
- Predator 2
And that's just those movies.
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It's really good, but that's a stretch IMO.
I would agree, honestly. It transcends the basic action film format of previous films to tell a deeper story and still keep the action elements.
I'm not sure that it really tells a deeper story tbh. What's the deeper story?
Story felt about the same as the original to me, maybe even a little shallower - if only because it rehashed the lore from the original. It's been a while since I watched it, though. I def do remember it being hampered by it's budget.
I would say the fact that our heroine has to deal with both the Predator and European colonizers while having to prove to her tribe that she is a warrior makes it a much deeper story.
I forgot about those subplots tbh.
Prey, purely as an action movie, doesn't compare to predator. Given your points about the plot, your argument that prey is a deeper movie is fair. But it's not a deep movie, so I wonder how much I should care about the "deeper" plot points when it's still shallow overall. It's an action movie, after all.
And yeah, some of the CGI was laughably bad and will age terribly. Predator still holds up as one of the greatest actions flicks of all time.
Good discussion though.
I would also suggest that just by being a movie about indigenous Americans without doing any "mystical Indian" bullshit alone makes it a deeper film just by showing their culture in a way that was closer to reality, while still hitting normal action film beats. And the CG doesn't bother me. CG films in the 90s can look awful and still be good.
Even before CG... Ghostbusters has some good effects and some god-awful ones. Like when Louis and Dana are transformed into hell hounds. It looks terrible.
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I fucking love Prey. Such a good movie.
For people like that power is everything.
Black Panther:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt1825683/?ref_=bo_se_r_1
DOMESTIC (51.9%) - $700,426,566
INTERNATIONAL (48.1%) - $649,499,517
WORLDWIDE - $1,349,926,083
Wakanda Forever:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt9114286/?ref_=bo_se_r_2
DOMESTIC (52.8%) - $453,829,060
INTERNATIONAL (47.2%) - $405,379,776
WORLDWIDE - $859,208,836
Somebody should ask this jackass why he needs a movie of all white men.
Answer: he's racist. (bonus question: why does he need them in tights?)
Black Panther made a comical amount of money. The "Woke" strategy clearly worked.
Yeah, but old racists don’t like seeing Black people on screen, and that’s what’s really matters, doncha know.
He's clearly never even watched either movie, so his perception of them is probably based entirely on some far-right media interpretation he saw
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I watched "The man who knew too much" from the 50s yesterday. Doris Day might be the female role he likes. Obedient. Her husband tells her what to do, she is on a nervous breakdown constantly. Good times?
I prefer modern women anytime!!
Why do I need another marvel movie?
I for one don't.
C'mon. lets get back real scifi. Like the OG Day the Earth Stood Still in style. More drama. more social commentary and less...pew pew and tinfoil bikinis. For anybody whose not seen it... the 1950's version is a social commentary on mutually assured destruction and is still poignantly relevant today. (Also, you know the whole-Flying Saucer-lands-on-the-lawn cliche? yup. that's this movie.)
More drama. more social commentary and less...pew pew and tinfoil bikinis.
It has always been both. Often in the same film or show or book
There's so many series I have read recently that would make incredible space opera series perfect for streaming. It's like Hollywood is allergic to pumping out good stories with cheap production. Instead we have shit stories written by committee and approved for commercialism with blown out production that takes an entire year to complete 10 episodes instead of 30. We can't quite do cardboard sets and practical effects like the 80s but there's thousands of crews doing creative things on shoestring budgets.
I’m almost afraid they’ll try another remake of day the earth stood still after some screen writer sees it.
Keanu fucking Reeves pissed me off with that. The remake deserves the George Lucas Holiday Special Treatment™️
(Or the old TV British treatment. We can go with that.)
Klaatu barada nikto!
Shit I'd even take another Twister at this point.
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Well you don't need to, but then someone else gets to make an iconic movie, rakes in some cash and maybe even some Oscars and Globes.
Why do Marvel fans need a board influenced by a bigoted idiot?