Still won't stop the "alpha male" types from hating it because they base their entire personality around doing what they think wi make other people mad.
Futurology
Rednecks on Facebook are already getting butthurt about this like this and asking lab grown meat to be banned
They're going on about stuff like cancer or whatever
I see the sustainability argument, but it doesn't address my main concern, which is that it sounds yucky. Still, I'll eat lab sausage before I eat cockroach patties so 🤷
Why does this sound more yucky than the current way of obtaining meat?
In a lot of ways, it is just as gross as alcohol. It's made in large batches in a vat using tiny little organisms that assemble the final product. With alcohol the organisms typically being yeast, and mean being the actual cells.
Meat lab:
Brewery:
Granted it is a hell of a lot more complicated with meat production, but aesthetically it is pretty much the same thing.
Sustainable sources of real meat without killing animals are very welcome! Good luck to them because killing things to eat meat is the worst.
My hope is that these alternative meat industries also factor in job creation opportunities for people who are working in conventional meat production right now—if there’s populist pressure towards moving for more lucrative and safer jobs in lab-manufactured meats, that would be help reduce pressure from farm industry lobbyists, I think.
But the above is a secondary goal (and maybe the responsibility of another party), and shouldn’t distract from the primary goal of researching methods to create sustainable, cruelty-free lab-manufactured meats!
Real basic question first: where are they getting all those stem cells?
people who are working in conventional meat production right now
The industry is ripe with conditions that at least approximate human trafficking and anything lab-grown sounds like basically completely automated, and where it isn't you need highly skilled professionals. Not of the "is dexterous and can learn to make a clean cut fast" kind, but of the "degree in cell biology" kind.
Jobs for people without advanced education are getting rarer and rarer, that isn't going to change, and don't look to industry to change that they have the exact opposite incentive. If, OTOH, you introduce something like an UBI soon you'll have a gazillion people getting into pottery or knife or furniture making or whatnot, again doing actual crafts because it's economically feasible because you don't have to sell your stuff for prices only rich people can afford just to make a living.
Honestly you will not need a college degree to run a bioreactor. It won't be automated because it'll consist of cleaning, taking out the outputs and refilling the inputs. You do for inventing the reactor, but not for running it.
Whoever's overseeing many of them will need a degree, but labor will mostly still be labor.
If, OTOH, you introduce something like an UBI soon you’ll have a gazillion people getting into pottery or knife or furniture making or whatnot, again doing actual crafts because it’s economically feasible because you don’t have to sell your stuff for prices only rich people can afford just to make a living.
Fair point. If I’d had the time for it, I’d be encouraging or supporting my local representatives for working on this.
okay, but what's the resource consumption like? that's the major issue with meat farming - it takes all the resources necessary to grow food for the animals, and also all the resources necessary to keep and grow the animals themselves. If you need more meat in the same timeframe you can always just raise more pigs.
Quick search shows that it is better from a resource standpoint for pretty much all resources:
https://scienceline.org/2019/01/the-truth-about-lab-grown-meat/
Is it better for the environment?
That’s a definite yes. A 2011 study found that clean meat produces 78 to 96 percent lower greenhouse gas emissions, uses 99 percent less land and between 82 and 92 percent less water. Research at the Good Food Institute has concluded that a cell culture the size of one chicken egg can produce a million times more meat than a chicken barn stacked with 20,000 chickens, according to Emery. Energy costs, too, are much lower — and no animal parts are wasted, he adds.
“We won’t be growing the bones and the skin and the intestines that take up resources,” Emery says. “We’ll be vastly more efficient in the land we use.”
How much will it cost?
Experts say cost is the main obstacle standing between consumers and clean meat products.
In 2013, the first clean burger cost $325,000. While the price has decreased dramatically since then, current estimates range from $363 to $2,400 per pound, making it much more expensive than regular meat. (A pound of conventionally produced lean ground beef costs less than $6. Organically raised beef typically costs about a dollar more.)
JUST’s Birdie says the company is pushing hard to drive down production costs. “How do we make these products in order to compete with the price of a Big Mac?” she asks.
The biggest expense, she says, is protein used to feed the cells as they grow. In an effort to improve cost efficiency, JUST has developed a robotic platform capable of screening thousands of proteins to find the best at spurring growth, she says.
And this was from a decade ago. I imagine they've improved the resource need quite a bit since then.
I mean, theoretically this makes only the parts we want to eat and makes it directly instead of an offshoot of all the other biological processes like growing to the right age and ratio and growing the parts needed to keep it alive all that time. So my ass pull non educated thought process would assume the end result should require faaaaarrr less energy assumption for the same amount of meat?
The major issue is the slaughtering and torture of animals...
Whatever that is right now, I'd say it's at least more animal friendly, and you can control waste and pollution better, making it cleaner.
Over time, efficiency can be improved as well
I'd say it's a very good step
If they used human stem cells, cannibalism? Maybe. Tasty? Probably.
Cannibalism has been directly linked to the transmission of brain-related diseases. Although I’m sure further testing would be needed because that may not be the case with lab grown meat.
It would make for one hell of a research paper.
Described the ending to Project Hail Mary. Gimme some me-burgers
Soylent Sausage. Long Pig, Short Links!
Pigs eat pigs
True but we're not here to discuss your badge bunny mom.
I'm not exactly sure, but I think we can combine pork growing vats and AI to create a new species.