With about a thousand new daily sign ups to mastodon it feels like it is going back to its rapid degrowth that it has been on before the Twitter debacle.
this post was submitted on 19 Mar 2024
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I'll miss my cozy little Lemmy...
The upsides are apparent for the platform, but there's no denying that change will be inevitable for all of us, whether some instances choose to defederate or not.
What your Lemmy feed looks like is 90% up to you. Subscribe to things that you find interesting and block what you don't want to see.
Defederate.
They can have a corporate silo. They can use an open standard. But they cannot do anything good for the fediverse. The best thing for the fediverse is to let them exist as a walled garden (and we can put up the wall).
There are about 10 million users on the free fediverse. That number has grown steadily and sustainably. There are 160 million threads users. They were instantaneously leveraged onto the platform by a billion dollar corporation (possibly in violation of antitrust laws).
If we federate, Threads won't become a part of the fediverse; threads will become the fediverse.
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I know there’s a ton of skepticism about Meta entering the fediverse — it’s completely understandable,” Cottle says. “I do want to kind of make a plea that I think everyone on the team has really good intentions. We really want to be a good member of the community and give people the ability to experience what the fediverse is.”
Your intentions mean exactly nothing when you're being paid by Zuckerberg.
It also doesn't actually matter what you intend, because the problem isn't just what the platform can do, it's about Meta being in this space and trying to stake a claim in it. We came here to escape you. Go the fuck away.
I don't get these people. They knowingly chose to work for Meta after everything that company's done. You don't get to pretend you're the good guy anymore. They're by far the most evil big tech company on the planet and that says a fucking lot when you're up against MS, Oracle, Google and Apple
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Their intentions don't matter. Meta's only intention is make line go up. They will either consume or extinguish the fediverse with the rest of the corps. I'll be leaving lemmy.world the minute thread federates. I'm just gonna be a lazy ass until then.
I thought I understood lemmy.world's position several months ago was to not federate with Threads. This was the vocal position of many instances. Has this changed?
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Right? I don't care what their intentions are, if they continue to house hate groups, their "intentions" count for exactly nothing
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I don't mind the threads integration much actually.
yeah if threads integration means that i could interact with my friends threads posts with mastodon account i don't mind it. it's not like they are gonna use mastodon. maybe there might be a chance that people on threads might visit mastodon once they are fed up with spams on threads.
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Yeah I don't understand the issue.
People want the fediverse to grow, so FB entering it is a good thing no? Otherwise realistically the fediverse will likely stagnate and always just take up a tiny bit of space.
The more people involved the better. Sometimes I feel this group just wants to shoot themselves in the foot.
The issue is that Meta's intention is to extinguish the fediverse, not to add to it. I can't believe people are still falling for this tactic.
But honestly, the fediverse is tiny and I find it's not a suitable replacement for anything at the moment. It does need to have more people joining for it to be a complete replacement.
As to whether Meta will extinguish it or not I don't know, but at least in the short term it could help. I don't think it's reasonable to pre-emptively shoot your foot off because you might get gangrene - I'd rather wait to see it and then decide.
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I DON'T want the fediverse to grow if that growth is full of extremists, hate groups, porn bots, etc.
Lemmy already is full of extremists and hate groups. Perhaps you mean you don't want hate groups you don't agree with?
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But the fediverse already has that lol. I've had arguments here with extremists many times.
You won't just magically cure it by stopping FB from federating. Putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes doesn't make it go away.
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The idea that they will destroy it by just... Being a bigger instance? Because they can influence development? Isn't this shit developed by a tanky? A self-proclaimed stalinist? Why the hell would they capitulate to a megacorp? I'm more worried about the actual developers ruining this shit than Meta and Threads.
Yes, by being a bigger instance with piss poor moderation. We'd be overrun with trolls and spammers
Even if you aren’t against federating with threads on principle part of the challenge is going to be able to keep up with moderating their entire user base en-masse and being able to afford the cost of federating content from so many users at once.
It’s a burden I doubt a lot of smaller instances can handle.
You make a very good point there. That's probably the best reasoning to be against federating with them I've seen. It also brings up duplication of content. If they have so many users, would it be possible that a smaller instance getting content from them could literally fill up all their storage space, assuming it's not a gigantic data center but something self-hosted? Text may not be problematic, but images from Instagram can be massive. I suppose if your instance was that small you'd already be picking and choosing what to federate with, though.
I mostly agree. The one thing I will say in favour of defederation is hate content. Meta has incredibly lax moderation. People can literally say "this person deserves to be killed", or even "I would absolutely murder this person if I came across them" and Meta will be like "yeah we understand this may be disappointing to you, but we're gonna allow that to stay" if you report it.
I saw that here, too. Thought about reporting when I saw the sidebar didn't even have a rule against it (forgot which community though - my app doesn't present that in an obvious way)
There's definitely users who will do that here. There are on any platform open to sign-ups by the general public. But my experience has been that it's very likely to get removed if mods or admins are made aware. I don't think I've ever gotten a positive response on Meta.
they could develop new features but intentionally implement them in a way that they are not compatible with other services. they could put all the other instances they federate with on rolling blackouts so that it seems like they are down when in fact it's just them cutting the connection. doing just these two things with purpose could make it look like Facebook has the most advanced and stable instance. in addition, as you mentioned, it would also have the biggest populace. there would be pressure to abandon other instances to join that instance to stay in touch.
The people making the most noise about it don't seem like they're pressured one bit. Also, walling it off through defederation won't stop any of what you propose may happen, anyway.
Why would that happen anyway? A lot of people already came here from bigger sites, like reddit for example. If we don't federate, then why would people who are already here be pushed by something that isn't there?
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I was kind of hoping the hysteria would be over by now. Walled gardens are a bad thing, I'm pleased when holes are poked in them.
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Fuck letting the Zuckin billionaire into this party! Build your own shit communities with your own shitty user base
Ill move to server that has defederated meta completely
I was thinking about joining one that's federated with them. I'd get a look at the normal side of the internet, what's going on there without having to join I forgot what's it called.
Nah that is a positive for them as they will harvest the data on that server, so that is a no for me.
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You can find servers based on Threads defederation through this site. Since you don't want anything to do with Threads, I suggest filtering by 'blocked' and 'Fedipact' I'm not sure what the difference is between the two is though, so I'd appreciate if someone would explain.
How does one "move" to a different instance? Or do I have to make a new account and start over?
You create a new account on a new instance and then you export your subscriptions and settings from your old Lemmy server to your new ones, you lose your comment history but that doesn’t really matter on Lemmy like your post history does on Masto
When you say export, is there a tool for that for, like, mass exporting your subs? Or do I have to manually search each one and sub again?
I ask because I've been meaning to switch to my alt, but I made a point of subbing to as many communities as possible to make Lemmy more fun to use for me, and good lord, it's a lot to do.
I signed the fedipact yet mine isn't listed there, at least it says "blocked".
I don't really care about that, but given that defederation with particular instances is a good way to get a feel for what content and instance allows/disallows, it'd be nice to be able to filter instances on https://lemmyverse.net and https://lemmy.fediverse.observer and https://kbin.fediverse.observer by whether an instance is defederated or not with some list of other instances. Like, maybe you want an instance that federates with instances providing pornography (lemmynsfw.com) but not extremist political positions (hexbear.net). Right now, it's a very manual process to check the federation list on many instances.
theres also https://defed.xyz/
That's a really good site too, though I suggest using fedipact.veganism.social if you're specifically interested in which instances are defederated from Threads. Some instances have hidden blocklists and won't show if they have defederated Threads if you search through defed.xyz.
For example: You can only see that retro.pizza and masto.ai have hidden blocklists if you look through defed.xyz. However, if you look on fedipact.veganism.social, you can see that retro.pizza has joined the Fedipact against Threads, while masto.ai is fully federated with them.
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