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Nokia tells Reddit it might be infringing on Nokia's patents. (www.theverge.com)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I can't believe I have to defend reddit for once.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I can't believe I have to defend reddit for once.

I’m not rushing to pick a side until someone posts the actual patient claim. Both of these parties suck, and I’m not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This "article," if you can call it that, might as well have just been a tweet. There is 0 other relevant information like what the patents actually are.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It basically is a tweet. It's a quick post, which is designed for The Verge writers to write a quick thought or link to a story using a website they control instead of posting it on Elon's website.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

Why are we mad about an active tech company protecting their IP?

Patent trolls buy up more patents than any company could ever be able to use in actual products in order to make money sueing everyone under the sun or striking extortionate licensing deals.

Nokia Oyj is the part of Nokia that Microsoft didn't buy, and it is a telecom company that does its own RnD to this day, and is perfectly open to doing reasonable licensing deals. How tf does this make them a patent troll, unless this is over something dumb and frivolous, which we don't know yet?

[+] [email protected] -23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

Nokia is a husk of a former tech company that was gutted by Microsoft for anti competitive reasons and now used as a patent troll arm of Microsoft.

https://slidebean.com/story/microsoft-nokia-acquisition

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

That's not even close to the full story, and partly straight up incorrect.

They sold their mobile branch. The brand of which eventually ended up with HMD global, which now makes Nokia branded phones.

Nokia Oyj is a telecom RnD and infrastructure company, as in the hardware and standards behind wireless communication tech. They never stopped.

They essentially pulled an IBM and exited the consumer market, but they never ceased operation, or sold off their main business.

Microsoft has had absolutely nothing to do with Nokia Oyj since buying their consumer handset branch off them.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That’s sad.

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[+] [email protected] -29 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Both sides suck here but I have to side with Reddit over patent trolls. Nokia, what a disgrace you are these days if you have to resort to patent trolling. You used to be cool. That said, if this hurts Reddit's IPO then I'll be happy anyways.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Enforcing a patent is not necessarily patent trolling. Is Nokia’s sole purpose to collect patent for things they have no intention or capability to create and sell? That’s the definition of a patent troll. Nokia doesn’t exist solely to collect patents and make their revenue by suing actual business.

We got people out here mad at shit they don’t even understand…

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

There’s a difference between patent trolling and protecting their patents.

Provided Nokia just won a case, it’s extremely doubtful they would fall into the “troll” catagory.

Why do you think they’ve become a disgrace?

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 7 months ago (5 children)

What are the patents?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Can't seem to find that anywhere, but there's a totally organic and not at all sus post on Reddit calling Nokia patent trolls.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago

It's not mentioned in the filing, so we can only speculate.

...on March 18, 2024, Nokia Technologies sent us a letter indicating they believed that Reddit infringes certain of their patents. We will evaluate their claims.

That's all we've got to go on.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Thank you for asking that question. That was the primary reason I was going to read the article. Since it doesn’t explain that, I won’t bother.