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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I always thought that was weird, given that the thing he (and Tuvok to one of the Maquis crewman on Voyager) was having her remove is a religious thing. I would figure Starfleet would have specific exceptions for such articles in the uniform code. And as the meme points out, we see Worf's sash all the time and that's a special exception deal.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Took a damned long time for me to like Riker again after this.

"Ah yes, a refugee from an occupied and dispossessed people. First thing i need to break her is that religious item she wears"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

You have to remember Ro's back story:

One of Ro's early assignments was aboard the USS Wellington. During that assignment in the mid-2360s, Ro was a member of the disastrous away team mission to Garon II. During the mission, Ro disobeyed direct orders, causing the eight other members of the away team to die. Ro was court martialed for her actions and refused to speak in her own defense. With little alternative, the court found Ro guilty and sentenced her to imprisonment in the stockade on Jaros II.

As far as Riker knew, she was directly responsible for the deaths of 8 crewmates.

To put this into perspective: Derek Chauvin was a member of the US Army Reserve from 1996 through 2004. As a cop, he killed George Floyd in 2020. Imagine Donald Trump granting him a pardon, reinstating him into the Army, and assigning him to a Special Operations unit to handle an important mission. That's what Riker was dealing with.

Ro's Introduction

Picard held the same opinion of her, until Guinan vouched for her.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Well, he was a... friend to non-binary and very binary folks. So, that's something.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

Ok so I respect that but the dudes still a greasy disco salamander without the mutton chops

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In the US Army Sikh soldiers can wear their turbans, beards, and kirpan due to those things being part of their religious beliefs. The soldier does have to get permission and a uniform waiver first but that's never an issue.

I would bet Laren's earring is the same type of thing. She's a contrarian so she probably just never put in the paperwork to get a uniform chit allowing her to wear her earring and the others did.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

She was reinstated to active duty after being pardoned for getting 8 people killed. There was a little more to it than never applying for an earring chit.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Another reason Jellico was a great captain. Made Deanna put on a real uniform (which looked great on her btw).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, way sexier than the weird, awkward, cleavage onesie.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I was 10 or so when tng aired and I always thought it was a special councilor's uniform. Something to set her apart and make her appear more approachable, less military. Similarly to Bones's shortsleeved uniform and nurse chapel's dress.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

But it doesn't. There are other ways one can look approachable and professional than... That.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Riker was a Cardasian sympathizer

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ironic considering Tom Riker was Marquis.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

I can't blame Tom Riker. He must have had a serious identity crisis on top of feeling that his promotion and life were robbed from him. I'd be bitter too.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Let's get Captain Ronnie Cox on board, he'll straighten Deanna out

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I half remember Worf getting permission on screen. What episode was that?

[–] BalderSion 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure he was wearing the sash from his first scene in Encounter at Farpoint.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

You might be right. I was imaging it showed up during the episodes with his brother.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 2 days ago (1 children)
  1. Worf had already gotten permission to wear his alteration years ago on file. Ro didn't have permission yet.
  2. Deanna works with civilians, who may not be as open with her if she is wearing a uniform. Again, nothing a little off screen paperwork would clear up
  3. Riker takes a risk to assert his authority with an easy to find infraction to bust her with to let her know he means business.
[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And Ensigns don't get the privilege of dress code exemptions.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This and a couple other comments in this thread point to an aspect of Star Trek’s world building that hasn’t sat right with me for a long time. It’s supposed to be an utopianistic, egalitarian future. There’s no scarcity or need on Earth so everyone is supposed to be here because they want to be, out of a love of exploration and scientific advancement. So why is there such a disparity in treatment based on rank? Why does an ensign get stuck with a bunk in a hallway while Captain Picard gets a cushy executive suite? O'Brien at least had real quarters to raise his family in, but they were a comparative closet next to the bachelor Captain's. Doesn't seem right to me.

All to say that, in my mind, if an ensign needs to stick to a manner of dress, so should an officer of rank. They're all part of the same fleet and deserving of the same respect.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

As far as Riker knew, this ensign basically killed the 8 other members of her away team. She was only pardoned because Starfleet needed her. She informed Riker and Picard that she didn't want to be there, and the only reason she accepted the assignment was because it was better than prison.

He threw the book at her because, as far as he knew, she was a despicable person deserving of far worse.

It was later discovered that the deaths were not her fault, and Picard and Riker both treated her with tolerance and respect.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why does an ensign get stuck with a bunk in a hallway

Because space is the final frontier, there just isn't enough on a ship.

But actually I found the bunk in a hallway stuff weird. The ship at any given time is full of civilians, children, people preparing to colonize new worlds, etc. It seemed clear to me that everyone/every family had a nice little apartment they lived in.

I know this was different in the Lower Decks animated show, but was this true in live action?

I also think we see Ro Laren's quarters at some point and she has standard quarters.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago

The interior space inside a Galaxy class is immense. A standard US aircraft carrier has a crew of some 3000 sailors. It is utterly dwarfed by the Enterprise-D. Forget the official crew manifest. The real world designers thought too small. 642m in length, 463m wide, 195 height, and 42 decks total. That saucer section alone could house 10k people easy, and probably 50k in an emergency. With only 3k aboard, they all ought to have a respectable living quarters to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago

I always thought the hallway bunks were for on-call positions to get rest in between work, not meant as personal bunks.

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