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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I don’t think seven’s suit would have stuck out so much if they didn’t absolutely neuter the rest of the crew with the uniforms. The man in the dress should have been more prominent, and there should have been some women who chose to wear that too. Before next-gen got pants, I bet the dress would have actually been a very popular option for both genders.

Star Trek’s man in a dress

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean it's really dumb and incongruous but truth be told, it was hot. I just wasn't really looking for hot. I was looking for good sci-fi drama. That, unfortunately, was in short supply.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

We all need a good sci fi bodysuit once in awhile

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I want to talk about Picard’s TNG S1 body suit!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Tbf, TNG uniforms were merciless.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Under the age of about 20 you enjoy the sex appeal of Star Trek

But beyond that you enjoy it for the scifi .... because if you want sex ... there's like 10 billion hours of free porn online .... and before the internet, you could fill the ancient halls of the library of Alexandria ten times over with the amount of porn mags that were available back then.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I bet the Library of Alexandria had so much porn.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 42 minutes ago

"NOOOOO, all the porn!!!"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (8 children)

There’s 2 kinds of people in Trek fandom:

  1. The sane people who know Berman sucks and her outfit is a known unfortunate symptom - we just pretend Seven had real clothes.
  2. “I liiiike Seven of Nine” - creepy gen X white guys who just watch Trek for boobs and lasers.
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Option number 2 describes my ex-wife. Generalizing to “creepy gen x white guys” is your own bias. The most lecherous comments I have heard about seven in real life have come from the mouth of a female scientist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

Come for the boobies and phasers (and the rare shots of female bare feet, nudity, and women kissing women), stay for the well-written hardcore sci-fi.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago

“I liiiike Seven of Nine” - creepy gen X white guys who just watch Trek for boobs and lasers.

I feel seen.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Ummm... actshually they are called "phasers" in the Star Trek universe. You see... the difference is that...

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

That is correct. That is a point for @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It was actually an attempt to use indirect characterization - by using "lasers" instead of "phasers", it shows that the demographic I am describing only pays attention to the superficial aesthetic of Star Trek rather than its meaning or even common technical terms in the show.

But still, I derive quite a bit of humor from your comment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Option 2 was known even at the time and appears as a joke in the dilbert cartoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ig6eA24jo

This is a clip of dilbert waking to a 7-of-9 alarm clock which proceeds to roast him.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago

I mean, the creator of Dilbert is basically option 2 incarnate in the most terrifying way possible, so it makes sense.

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/26/1159580425/newspapers-have-dropped-the-dilbert-comic-strip-after-a-racist-rant-by-its-creat

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  1. “I liiiike Seven of Nine” - creepy gen X white guys who just watch Trek for boobs and lasers.

Omfg that is so bigoted!!!!

I'm not even white!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow. You’re just going to exclude creepy boomers like that?

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

As always, FUCK 👏 RICK 👏 BERMAN 👏

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-voyager-bodysuit-costume-change-why/

Seven of Nine was created by Star Trek: Voyager executive producers Brannon Braga and Joe Menosky; Braga became fascinated with the idea of a Borg character coming aboard the Captain Kathryn Janeway's (Kate Mulgrew) starship, but it was producer Rick Berman who suggested they make their creation into "a Borg babe." While Braga's vision of Seven of Nine was "a wild child... a girl raised by wolves" who would inject conflict into the U.S.S. Voyager, the producers agreed with Berman that Seven would also inject some sex appeal into the series […]

Ryan wore the silver suit for a few episodes, but it was retired because of the many issues it caused for the actress. The catsuit, with its corset complete with molded breasts, was so restrictively tight that Ryan had trouble breathing. In fact, nurses with oxygen tanks were present on the set and Ryan passed out four times during production. In addition, not only did the corset prevent Ryan from bending but it took her 20 minutes to go to the bathroom, and production would need to be halted just so the actress could relieve herself.

ETA: My bad, she corrected the article. It was the Borg costume that needed nurses on set with oxygen, it was the catsuits that didn't let her sit or bend and took 20 minutes to get out of to use the restroom. She spent the first year she was on set not hydrating during work hours because she didn't want to halt production to pee. Then she just said fuck it and got out of the suit after every take. She was ok with it though, she appreciated a strong, brilliant woman being portrayed in a sexy way.

http://bbc.adactio.com/cult/st/interviews/ryan/printpage.html

Initially, I would stay in the costume much longer than I ended up staying in it, because it takes about twenty minutes to get into. Someone has to dress me and undress me. It’s a production break if I have to get out of the costume to use the rest room or something,. It grinds to a halt unless they can shoot something without me, which typically they can’t, if it’s a scene that I’m in. So, in the interest of being a team player, the first season, I would not take rest room breaks, I just didn’t drink anything on set, which is not the healthiest thing to do.

As time progressed, I finally learned that you just heed the call of nature and take breaks when you need to take breaks. And finally it got to the point where, they would just let me get out of it after every take. When I wasn’t in the shot, I didn’t just wear it to wear it, because it was very uncomfortable. It looks very simple, it looks just like a leotard, but it really was a feat of engineering on Bob Blackman’s part to design this costume.

There’s a corset, one-piece undergarment. It’s constricting and it’s not comfortable. You can’t really bend, you can’t really sit comfortably in it. So I would get out of it between takes.

I don’t know that I would leap at the opportunity to wear another really, really uncomfortable costume that’s not normal clothing, but if it’s a great character, of course, I’d be willing to do that. You do whatever it takes to play a wonderful, rich role as an actor. The overt sexiness of the costume, I had no problem with. I have no problem with it, because of the way the character was written. If she was written the way everybody thought she was going to be, when they saw pictures of her initially, then, yeah, I would have had a big problem playing that character. That was not something I had any interest in doing. But she was brilliant. She’s a brilliant character, she was strong, she was a wonderful role model for young women, and I have no problem with it. We have intelligent women in every physical form, in real life, so why shouldn’t we see that depicted on television.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

Update: Jeri Ryan contacted Screen Rant with the correction that the problems she encountered involved her Borg drone costume and not her catsuit. The original article is as follows.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 day ago

You just going to ignore the very first thing in that article?

Update: Jeri Ryan contacted Screen Rant with the correction that the problems she encountered involved her Borg drone costume and not her catsuit. The original article is as follows.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I wish no specific ill will, but, yeah. It mostly boils down to his fuckery as it was in Enterprise with Jolene's T'Pol.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

"They're little footballs..!"

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was good, but it wasn't that great, I give it 7/9

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

See what you did there, and because I'm in a different space right now, trying to be a better person, I forgive you.