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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The so-called birthrate crisis is manufactured by morons like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk who clearly didn't pay attention in science class and didn't learn about logistic population growth https://www.britannica.com/science/population-ecology/Logistic-population-growth and those who see a line going down and assume it will keep going down at the same rate forever.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

My condo building just got rid of the company that meters our water. After years of this we could finally break the contract.

My water bill usage was something like $15/mo and they had an admin fee of $13/mo. In a building of like 150 apartments, those guys were raking in like $2k a month from us for keeping their automated shit plugged in.

The managers said they would just stop metering and our monthly fees would pay the bill. After a year, they would adjust our monthly rates to balance it out.

They never had to balance it out - that’s how little the overall water usage cost was.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Hence the agenda of the current American regime. Outlaw birth control. Eliminate public education. Health care will be too expensive for most workers. And over it all, evangelical Christianity keeps a poorly educated workforce in line. So you end up with a working class who breed fast, die young, and have no concept that life could be any other way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The word "for" does a lot of heavy lifting in there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That depends, really. I'm sorry, but these anti capitalism memes always show such over simplified view of the world, this is not how things work.

Take South Korea, for example. The way they are going right now, 50 years from now it might not even exist anymore. Granted, the underlying causes there for the low birth rates have a lot to do with uncontrolled capitalism, but communism won't save the country from this problem.

You still have a shrinking work force to do the required work, you still have a relatively expanding section of elders that won't work anymore but requires care instead, being an extra "burden" on the country. Less people will have to do more work over time and it causes a huge list of issues that communism really isn't going to solve.

The actual solution for South krea would be in tightening laws on their capitalist system, allowing people more time to have children in the first place. Then they need immigrants, and probably quite a few of them. Like Japan, South Korea is rather homogeneous, they're in for a surprise, I guess.

Either way, just posting these "but of course communism will solve this, communism solves everything" memes is so naive it's just child level dumb.

Communism hasn't worked well anywhere, how about some pragmatism and we start hard limiting capitalism instead, which we know does work

Birth rates are so low

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

The low birth rates aren't just rampant capitalism though; it's also SK women having a choice to not get married and have children, combined with a culture that's almost rabidly misogynistic. If I were a Korean woman, I absolutely would not want to get hitched to a Korean man and have children with him, because I know that it would be very unlikely that I'd treated like a real person or an equal partner. But the culture--much like Japan--seems to prize people that put in horrifically long hours, and even if you fix the cultural misogyny, you're still stuck with not having much time to spend with your partner.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Being against capitalism =/= supporting communism.

Why do you believe everyone who hates capitalism thinks communism is the only viable alternative?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The meme implies “not capitalism is the answer” and you’re not answering OP’s question.

I’m with Phoenix here, this is a fundamental labor/production problem, not an organizational one. Even if wealth and work was magically, perfectly redistributed via some system (take your pick), life would still suck for younger people in SK.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But "not capitalism" is the solution.

A lot of the low birthrate comes from people choosing careers over families. Gee i wonder what system propagates such behaviour?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It’s too late for SK.

And even if it weren’t, there’s a lot of policy problems (immigration, sexism, internal cultural ones) that fall outside economic systems. “Just switch the economic system so people will want to have babies” is the other side of the coin of the hard right’s “just value traditional families so people will want to have babies.”

To reiterate, I am saying this meme is wrong in portraying low birth rates as mostly a problem of the neoliberal capitalist economic system, even though it is a major contributor. A magic switchover would not fix it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Trap people in a work - consume - die paradigm

People refuse to bring new life into the hellscape you created

Cry about it in your propaganda channels

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

that is why countries wont even dare discuss why its occuring instead trying to low effort coerce people into having more children.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Like, they are bad for societies though. Not just in terms of keeping them around but also in terms of demographic makeup, no? Children are an important part of the social fabric. There is a point at which the old outnumbering the young does bevome a bad thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yes, but our consumer society isn't raising the alarm for those reasons (for the most part)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why though? Those statements might or might not be true, but they’re totally unqualified.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

Low birth rates are problematic to carcinogenic ideologies.

Positioning the increase in population as a core tenet for a system condemns it to resource exhaustion.

I’m all for providing the option to ‘procreate’ where it’s appropriate and non-coercive, but demanding it as a requirement for acceptable incorporation into society should always be disparaged and ridiculed.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Birthstriking is the biggest middle finger one can possibly give to capitalism and to the corrupt establishment that enforces it through violence. It is the strongest action available to the average person, a direct vote against the future that we are headed towards.

They know this, which is why they are freaking out with tons of propaganda, attacks on education, and erosion of women's rights.

Birth rates below replacement level do present some actual challenges to society. But instead of trying to actually address these issues, they are going for the band-aid of increasing birth rates.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They only care about birth rate so that labor is devalued.

Historians argue that one of the contributing factor to the end of feudalism was the black death, because the laborers left had more bargaining power then before over the nobles/clergy to make demands like tenancy, humanistic values etc.

But the moment where AI is able to replace whole industries is when these sob stories will vanish, and in good conscience, who can have a kid when those are their prospects?

This isn't like the industrial revolution where people were just upskilled and shifted into other domains, there's only so many hospitality and service oriented jobs which can support the labor force writ large.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Support life extension, then both are happy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah depends on what scale you’re looking at. Worldwide it’s still poor, religious conservative people who still have lots of children. If the scales tip far enough I could mean humanity will regress for several generations because these religious conservative people have become the majority and will put fascists and dictators into power.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

You mean... Like the ones the US put into power last year?

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