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Not that there's anything wrong with content warnings. But you'd think people who actively celebrate massacres and call for the death of others can handle a children's cartoon lol
These people will be on Starlight's side during the Cutie Map. Or they'd go say that Starlight wasn't actually practicing real communism.
Idk. I feel mixed about the content warnings. They could be useful for some people, though it's a little bit overboard. There are certainly worse episodes of My Little pony that's for sure. I think of the Buffalo episode in season 1 (actual settler colonialism and then the lesson is just to share the land)
All the depictions of these things are pretty mild in general. Although that doesn't stop the My Little pony Community from making these incredibly detailed stories and worlds.
Idk how they expect to pull off a bloody revolution if MLP has elements that trigger them. This is definitely the first time I’ve seen content warnings for the series.
I see no issue, in fact this is rather progressive and I agree with them, should be way more common
Ok tankie
They know their own community well which often comes off as insular, but yeah content warnings for a watch party is a pretty normal thing.
I think many of these are a huge stretch and if you are getting triggered over "childhood bullying" in "My Little Pony Friendship is Magic" that perhaps you need to not be engaging with the internet unsupervised.
At some point we have to let adults experience uncomfortable, negative, and unwanted emotions and experiences in art or otherwise we will infantilize the population.
A lot of people have trauma and these content warnings can help prevent panic attacks and traumatic episodes even, if it seems minor to you it may not be so minor to others
Idk dude there's some songs that remind me of the past that I don't want to hear anymore, but you know what I don't do? Make that everyone else's problem by demanding a content warning or any such nonsense if there's a possibility the song will be played. What I do is fast forward or go to the bathroom for 3m20s, or just sit there and ignore it.
I could get behind it if there's a full on rape scene or something, like CW A Serbian Film for sure, but My Little Goddamn Pony? At some point it becomes your responsibility to deal with your own triggers, not the world's responsibility to manage them for you (and coincidentally that's what most therapists say as well.)
You seem to be very upset for people taking effort to be accommodating.
This is for a show designed for small children. If you cannot handle shows made for pre-schoolers than you need significant help and should not be ysing the internet as you are not healthy enough to handle that.
Note: Im not rejecting trigger warnings entirely but I am saying that listing them for My Little Pony is extreme. If you cannot handle kids shows you have real problems
How is this even a conversation... Imagine this level of CW on a newspaper. You basically would have 30 CW per article.
I think this is way overcompensating. There is a difference between putting generally disturbing content being a CW and putting anything remotely upsetting behind a CW. The latter is an overcompensation that leads to people avoiding any chance of being uncomfortable.
Not that there’s anything wrong with content warnings. But you’d think people who actively celebrate massacres and call for the death of others can handle a children’s cartoon lol
You are responding to a tankie
I'm aware they're a tankie. So is @[email protected]
Long as they follow the rules, they're allowed to comment.
Im a different flavor of communist than the folks you see on hexbear and grad. Not a stan of DPRK or China. Not fond of the later years of the USSR. I don't support modern day Russia in any conflicts it's involved in either.
I've seen your comments on Hexbear. At best, you are neutral on their bigotry as you comment in threads that contain it. At worst, you agree with it.
Here's a challenge: Disavow Stalin on Hexbear and the fact that his authoritarianism is what ultimately killed communism. Unless you are a Stalinist?
I uphold his theoretical contributions. My disagreements are everything after that.
That's nice and vague. What sort of theoretical contributions?
celebrate massacres? Do you mean the war in Ukraine?
Most massacres. 7th of October massacres. The Barbara Pit. Soviet Union's gulags. The Holodomor. The doctors plot murders. List goes on and all are documented on this community.
7th October was a Hamas attack, Barbara Pit was honest-to-god massacre that involved fascist Croatians affiliated with Nazi Germany, Gulags are Gulags, Holodomor is like calling the American Dustbowl a massacre (Wikipedia doesn't agree on it being one) and the doctors plot can't even be confirmed
Why not talk about Xinjiang or Russian war crimes? Or Assad? Those are way more up to date
That's apologia, you're deflecting and handwaving all of this with whataboutism.
7th of October massacres. The Barbara Pit. Soviet Union’s gulags. The Holodomor. The doctors plot murders. All atrocities. The Holodomor itself was a genocide.
Whataboutism only makes sense as a criticism when you use it to justify others, which I don't think applies to me as I never compared them to anything, I never placed their value to be connected to an external context in a comparison, I only said what they were.
!!! redundant: 7th October was a Hamas attack, though Israel have used this opportunity to spread falsehood about Palestinian resistance, Barbara Pit was a massacre of Croatian Nazi allies, Holodomor was a result of government inefficiency leading to grain shortages and starvation (contention being that it's disputed if it was intentional or not, I personally doubt it was intentional) and the doctors plot (first I've heard of it before now) says that it is debated by historians!!!<
You can't just shut down discourse by shouting 'Apologia' or 'Whataboutism'
Neither did I deflect nor handwave it, I said it as I thought it was, Hamas attacks did cause civilian casualties although exaggerated by Israel, Yugoslavian freedom fighters did massacre those Croatians and keep it hidden for 60 years and the Holodomor did kill hundreds of thousands
What frustrates me to no end is these topics becoming taboo, and even with Wikipedia accepting that there is discourse, people rejecting it because of Tankies
I am stupid for writing this much when I don't even need to, but either way their more modern claims and what they support hold more weight than what they think of the past, you could've talked about them supporting Assad for example
You're not discussing anything, though. The Holodomor is a genocide. The survivors call it a genocide. The perpetrators say it was deliberate.
Now you're being revisionist by downplaying these atrocities.
Hamas attacks did cause civilian casualties although exaggerated by Israel, Yugoslavian freedom fighters did massacre those Croatians and keep it hidden for 60 years and the Holodomor did kill hundreds of thousands
Ukraine, as well as the Uyghur genocide in China. As long as it's the right "team" doing the evil, it's totally okay to them.