It still baffles me that Cory Booker spoke through the night to inspire people…and then voted to confirm Trump appointees anyway. I do not understand what goes through these people’s heads.
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When fighting Bernie, Dems are fighting with a base that is already aligned with them - ie one that they do not have a strong fear of alienating with their positions or attacks.
When fighting Trump, Dems usually fight with the idea that there is a significant group of 'moderates' which can be swayed in this country, and thus cannot be offended under any circumstances.
The problem is that there are 'moderates' in this country that can be swayed, but that the civility politics approach of the Dems does jack shit to lure most of them. They vote on vibes, and Dems try to avoid any vibes at all, to be the most milquetoast, least unacceptable choice possible to present.
When fighting Bernie, Dems are fighting with a base that is already aligned with them - ie one that they do not have a strong fear of alienating with their positions or attacks.
They should seriously reevaluate that because they have and they continue to alienate large numbers of people. This is an undeniable fact at this point.
No argument from me on the rest of your comment except for one small thing. The moderate that they're chasing is a mirage, and doesn't actually exist in the way that they think it does. These "moderates" don't actually hold moderate views when questioned about what they believe and what they would support. Progressive economic policy positions are overwhelmingly popular across the board, and many who call themselves moderates tend to have socially conservative or even regressive views.
They should seriously reevaluate that because they have and they continue to alienate large numbers of people. This is an undeniable fact at this point.
Yes, I agree.
No argument from me on the rest of your comment except for one small thing. The moderate that they’re chasing is a mirage, and doesn’t actually exist in the way that they think it does. These “moderates” don’t actually hold moderate views when questioned about what they believe and what they would support. Progressive economic policy positions are overwhelmingly popular across the board, and many who call themselves moderates tend to have socially conservative or even regressive views.
I would caution this with that wording matters very much to these moderates, and the support of 'feel-good' progressive policies (like universal healthcare) evaporates once objections are raised in the public sphere (like "Would you support universal healthcare if... the GOP candidate said it was going to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!?" or even realistic issues, like "if taxes went up a small amount").
I would go so far as to agree that these moderates don't hold moderate views, in the sense of having a 'middle ground' position, but say, in addition, that they have very little real policy positions at all, and that whether they think immigration needs to be loosened or if there's a crisis on the border depends almost entirely on what side of the metaphorical bed they woke up on a given morning.
They will express opposition to gun control, demand the banning of 'assault weapons', and then vote for a pro-'assault weapon' ballot initiative, all in the same breath. Civic education in this country is... severely lacking.
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I was just telling a friend, both sides want the same thing, money. The difference is, one side is willing to kill for it, and the other side is always willing to look away.
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every time i bring up the DNC railroading Bernie in 2016, i get brigaded by status quo idiots
They did the same in 2020 then did away with all pretenses of input in 2024 and just told us who the candidate was going to be
...controlled oppostion doesn't sound as dirty, does it...?
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democrats need more irish
Trump is a rival in the same sports league. Bernie sometimes dares to question whether the league should even exist
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Maybe stating the obvious here: their interests are more aligned with Trump than with Bernie.
Just sadness washes my body these days.
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