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How do folks bemoaning the lack of a global communist revolution in the 1910s reconcile that with the mass starvations that happened in the two largest communist countries? (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Having large numbers of people starve to death seems like a pretty damning indictment of a system. But I dunno, maybe I'm overly attached to food?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I'd suggest you read about the Irish and the Bengali. What economic system did those famines happen under?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (8 children)

How do you reconcile capitalism with climate catastrophe and ecological collapse?

These seem like a pretty damning indictment of a system. But i dunno, maybe i just like living things

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Hey, I'm not trying to say capitalism is great. But when Germany reunited, the eastern, communist part was the one with incredible toxic soil, poisoned inhabitants and barely a fish in its rivers.

I don't see that any of those systems is inherently better from the "living things" point of view.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Tankies gonna tank.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

compare that to the mass starvations happening on a daily basis under capitalism (including the one currently in progress in Gaza)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Are you really asking for a comparison, or is this a red herring?

3.9 million Ukranians died of starvation between 1931 and 1934. There are currently 0.5 million on the brink of starvation in Gaza, and 27 confirmed starvation deaths in Gaza (as of March 11th, and that is likely from incomplete data, but its what we have to work with unless we want to use imaginary data, and im assuming we don't). If we assume a linear growth rate and extrapolate, we could expect ~100 confirmed deaths and 1.5 million on the brink in a similar time period.

So, if we use raw numbers the USSRs leadership in Ukraine led to a greater total amount of starvation, however, if we look at it from a per capita perspective, about 10% of Ukraine's total population of ~ 32 million was starving and the 1.5 million number I extrapolated above would be almost 100% of Gazans.