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JD Vance Declares ‘Era of Uncontested U.S. Dominance is OVER’ In Pro-Isolationist Speech at the Naval Academy (www.mediaite.com)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even when those foreign countries had very little to do with poor American interests. What we’re seeing from President Trump is a generational shift in policy with profound implications for the job that each and every one of you will be asked to do. The Trump administration has reversed course. No more undefined missions. No more open-ended conflicts. Returning to a strategy grounded in realism and protecting our core national interests.

Does JD Vance know that we have those missions in those foreign countries that had very little to do with American interest because the richer and more democratic they become, the more stable the country will be, the less we have to be there, the better economically, which will create a new market for our products and align with our human rights interests ???? Tf is he on about lol

You can't lead the world by ignoring it.
Strong alliances and helping fragile states prevent wars that would otherwise drag us in.
When russians enthusiastically share this speech so quickly you're playing exactly how they like you too lmao.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I love how we keep trying all the ideas that didn’t work in the past

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

James Donald Bowman is a craven crustacean.

And I will deadname him in every thread I come across

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Holy fuck that was a speech worthy of Billy Madison.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

Mr. couchfucker, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent speech were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 days ago

Cool. Am I supposed to pretend this is bad?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

Ah okay, so everything the US does will be contested and taken away, check.

The Great American Island, where non-diseased eggs cost $3 a piece and smog colors she skies yellow.
Where ports send empty freighters back and forth to appear busy.
Where the lower class are enslaved to corporations feeding the rich.
Where criminals weaponize the lawbook to punish the poor.
The place where most sickness does not exist, people just keel over.
The Island the world leaves behind.

China will gladly be the economic decider, Russia the oppressive world police. And the US the petulant child blaming everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does anyone know what the heck is going on now? I mean on one hand, wouldn’t this mean we would need to strengthen our alliances with other countries so groups such as NATO can claim global dominance rather than a singular country such as the USA? On the other hand wouldn’t we need to do literally a 180 on our global policies on trade, immigration, and military might?

Like I got no idea whats going on.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I got no idea whats going on.

That's part of the point. Hypernormalization keeps people confused. There is too much to encapsulate easily. But to the point of the couch fucker's speech, isolating the US benefits Russia and its goals. NATO absolutely does not align with Putin's agenda at all. He wants it weak or dead. As far as your question about doing a 180 on trade/immigration policies, have you not noticed anything about tariffs or deportations? The US pissing on Canada and Mexico? They have already changed so much of that.

The US is not operating as it once was. The objective goals now are to help Russia and further enrich the wealthy class.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You can see the same hypocrisy in their energy and environmental policies. “Drill baby drill, put no regulations on dumping or manufacturing. But fluoride of all things is the unhealthy devil” or “fuck your EV tax credits or ICE phaseouts, but if you dont go buy a Tesla then youre not a real American”

Its absolute lunacy. Take the things everyone knows are bad and say we need that. Take things everyone knows are/would be good and say its a core problem in society

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Good

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Anyone get a weird feeling like the Russians got all these guys by the literal balls and wants to weaken the US?

You also have billionaires pulling the strings to make living in the US miserable so they can come in to "save us".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Replace Russia with Evangelicals and it works too

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

It should be glaringly obvious with how Trump handles Ukraine. Complete Putin puppet

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

So, is this an announcement/plan, or is this an acknowledgement?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean that's true and it makes me happy, but dude I don't think you're supposed to be proud about it when you run the damn country.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

And if any Democrat ever said anything similar every single Faux News propagandist would look like this on their nightly two minutes hate shows:

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Traitor.

So then cut the DoD budget by 60% and spend that money on universal health care, social security, paid family leave, and free tuition.

Otherwise, fuck right off.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Handing over world leadership directly to China.

China has offered to take in any international students who are now rejected from Harvard.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Handing over world leadership directly to China.

Americans have decided to abandon their role as World Police and embrace the role of World Privatized Security Service.

This isn't handing leadership to China, it is extorting Chinese neighbors into paying for the privilege of American occupation.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think they'll find few of them will take that offer, given the CCP's intolerance to dissent. I'd also guess rich internationals will just go somewhere else, while poor internationals won't be able to go without the kind of generous financial aid top American universities offer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

International students generally are ineligible for pretty much all financial aid. There arent actually any “poor” international students who are benefiting from financial aid.

I went to a need-based aid school, like the way Harvard and many top institutions especially are (not that mine was one of those, but still). All of our international students were the only ones ineligible for need-based money. The international students had to pay full tuition, often on tighter timeframes than even full-payer Americans did.

The reality is that cutting out international students actually harms an institution’s ability to provide aid to American students. They get charged full tuition for a multitude of reasons, but partly to fund need based aid for Americans

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

International students generally are ineligible for pretty much all financial aid.

Nope. Top American universities are pretty generous—probably the most generous among first-world countries—with need-based aid for undergrad internationals if you can get in (which is expectedly more difficult than for domestics). I know a few people in top American universities with full or near-full rides, most relevantly including one in Harvard, so yeah they exist. Of course most internationals are still filthy rich full-payers, but technically it's not all filthy rich full-payers.

The reality is that cutting out international students actually harms an institution’s ability to provide aid to American students.

Definitely true.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

The US is making itself more radioactive than Chernobyl. Nobody wants to visit any more, let alone invest in an education dictated by your rapist in chief.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tbh, we're not doing a lot better in terms of only allowing state-approved dissent. We night have slightly different vehicles and methods so we can still keep up appearances, but the real dissidents still get 360 no scoped by the FBI or harassed by the fascist public-private cooperative. That trend is only getting worse under Trump's guidance, paired with the endless Republican simpering for him and a democratic party that fights its activists harder than it fights the opposition.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Yeah definitely true, but this stuff is more relevant for people who actively try to be a thorn in the government's side, like lefties or dedicated pro-Palestine activists. The average prospective international student isn't that so they can easily get by (of course this doesn't apply to the current admin), while on the other hand I simply wouldn't feel safe in a place where mildly politically charged comments about food prices or the job market can get me rounded up and interrogated, or where I don't know which of my classmates or colleagues is a government informant. More than political freedom the personal safety guaranteed by that political freedom (even if, as you said, it's just keeping up appearances) is what's at stake here.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Papa Putin will be very pleased.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I bet reddit post are currently filled to the brim with comments about dry docks xD

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago

Proof they only want to weaken the US

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

...

Literally the entire reason we have such a large navy, and thusly need so many naval officers, is so we could project this power across the globe on very short notice.

This is like going to a coal miner's convention and telling them fossil fuels are going to be outlawed.

He's telling them they won't have a military career, just short term employment

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is like going to a coal miner’s convention and telling them fossil fuels are going to be outlawed.

It's going to a coal miner's convention and saying "the days of cheap coal are over, now coal is $1000 lb".

And when the coal miners ask "won't that lead to more people going to alternatives" replying "we will make alternatives illegal".

Like, it's not a material change in policy. It's a delusional assumption of what the US is capable of imposing on the rest of the world.