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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Capitalists don't innovate. They gut public services and then claim they invented the idea...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

if I had a nickle every time a techbro invented a bus or a train, I'd probably be able to afford a fucking bigmac

[–] [email protected] 1 points 39 minutes ago

And they 'invent' it in a way that would make a 19th century engineer want to bust their heads against a wall. Because their train replacements are ironically less efficient than a late 19th century railway locomotive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And then when people complain because its an inherently worse service, they resort to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and "just start your own company even though you have no capital" type bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

In reality, it is first mile and last mile.

If you're in a wheelchair or you oare therwise are ADA eligible, they will give you a ride to/from a public transit stop.

The onus is on the transportation system to be ADA accessible beyond the dropoff.

There are also employment partners who will pay for this leg.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

WOAH! This is an AMAZING idea! WHY hasn't Anyone THOUGHT of this Before? It's INCREDIBLE!

-People who Vote AGAINST Public Transportation and will COMPLAIN about how Expensive this is!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No it's privatized, so somebody at the top is getting rich. See that's the important part for these assholes. They just don't want the government spending that money when they could be spending it on more airplanes to drop into the fucking ocean.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

I like the spice...cheff kiss

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Public transit can be privatized and run for profits. Good example is Japan metro and train networks. Bad ones are bus routes in latinamerica.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The trolley system in early 20th century US cities died due to issues related to privatization. It's been done; doesn't work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well, it's more like the model was unsustainable. The trolley system was originally built by neighborhood builders as a neighborhood amenity to attract buyers. When the neighborhood was all sold up, the builder would hand the system over to the city, who would then fund the maintenance of the system via ? which was fine and dandy for a while because rail infra doesn't need half the maintenance asphalt does, but once you had enough of these lines aging out and piling up maintenance issues all at once and the city having done almost no planning to fund said maintenance, the cities would reliably just say "fuck it, let people drive" rather than try pulling teeth via passing a tax or something. From here in 2025, I'm ready to send a terminator back in time at them over it, but I can see how they arrived there in the context of their time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

who would then fund the maintenance of the system via ?

Via property tax. The same way local roads are maintained

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Right. Well, IIRC property tax is collected by the county and then sliced up and divvied out to different municipalities, which, also IIRC, then goes into the municipal general fund. If the city is stupid and doesn't plan maintenance, and instead treats the rail as a free good, then when it comes time to keep up on it, it's easier to just shrug and replace it with a business service.

What's more is that you also had GM going around and basically taking the EEE approach to municipal transit by offering ridiculously cheap bus services to replace trams, only to end them a short while later. So, it's not all on the cities, though one wishes they'd had the foresight to understand that private companies never do stuff out of the goodness of their hearts.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Germany's partial privatization of public transit, led to major issues like underinvestment, frequent delays, and high costs for passengers, underfunding, and profit-driven management.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

profit-driven management.

This alone explains pretty much every other problem

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The fragmentation of railway companies is horrible to deal with. Tokyo is a mix between JR and Keisei and you need to buy a separate ticket for each.

At least they run really well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

There are actually more operators than just JR and Keisei, but transferring between any of them is usually very quick and painless if you have any of the major transportation network cards in Japan, or associated NFC app. Only tourists actually buy tickets at the machines.

However, it does tend to cost more than sticking to one operator.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem is that if the profitable routes are private, who will run the unprofitable ones? This is effectively siphoning money away from the profitable public transit routes placing more of a burden on transit agencies.

That being said, even if it's 50% cheaper than a normal uber I doubt anyone will use it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

If there's already public transport on the route, why would anyone chose a presumably more expensive Uber-bus?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wait wait wait hear me out, what if we had something bigger than a car and it still had a single driver but multiple passengers???

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like a library but for travelling?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

public library transport! we might be onto sth here

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, private sector innovation

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

It's more like Greyhound...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We are 10 years from UberRail

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

In the UK uber started advertising that you can buy your train tickets via the uber app. Like WTF, no thanks I’ll just use Train Line.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

How much of a cut do they take?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Train Line or Uber?

Either way I’m not sure to be honest.

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