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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 days ago (3 children)

At least in the US, I'm absolutely destroyed that people just don't care. They talk like they care, but they just fucking don't. I don't get it at all. They will gripe about how evil and bad something is, then just keep using it. "If everyone else is, so will I" maybe. Group Inertia.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

People don't wish to help fight the war on drugs. Why should they? Are you destroyed by people's indifference to drug advertising or are you making a general statement not necessarily about this story? Are you okay with legal prescription drugs being advertised? Or is it the illegality that's a moral issue with you??

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Why would people here care that much about this? This kind of material exists on any site that allows user submitted content, and the only solution is aggressive automated moderation, which winds up hurting everyday users. Would you prefer that anyone who uploads a song or podcast that names a drug be automatically removed and have to be manually approved?

These are low-effort scams to steal credit card numbers, it doesn't seem like any of these had an actual avenue to purchase drugs. They should be removed for sure, but this is hardly some wild breach of responsibility.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's more that most people just aren't aware of any equivalent alternatives, or in some cases like where there literally aren't any alternatives. Look at phones, both Apple and Google suck and their mobile OSes are terrible but what's the alternative? Sure there's a few Linux phones out there and that's almost an alternative but it's not there yet. You could go with a "dumb" phone, but for most people that's not going to work. So you pick your lesser evil and bitch about it whenever the latest round of enshitification hits.

If you asked most people what alternatives exist for Spotify they'd probably say Pandora, and maybe Apple Music or Youtube Music and then struggle to come up with anything else. The better alternatives are suffering from a massive discovery problem.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

What’s an example of an alternative with a really great recommendation algorithm?

Things like recommendation algorithms are difficult for small companies/individuals to provide. Let alone the library of music.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Since you asked, in the US at least I would say Tidal's is quite good. Not a small company, but an alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

🌈 Enshittification 🌈 in all its facets. This one's pretty bad though.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Enshittification is not when Spotify doesn’t immediately notice and purge new uploads with scam content.

Enshittification is when Spotify takes away the free-tier, or makes the ad-free tier have limited ads while raising the price.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago (16 children)

It’s 2025, and Spotify still doesn’t offer lossless audio. Don’t understand why anyone would keep using it with so many alternatives available.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The recommendations are hard to beat, but I hate how these moderns streaming platforms make you a passive listener. My most enjoyable music listening days were when I actively managed my music collection.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I haven’t even thought about recommendations - I’ve never used the recommendation system on any music streaming platform. I’m fully hands-on with my music. I actively use the internet to discover new artists and curate my own playlists and library.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I need to go back to this, never should’ve given it up honestly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I do a bit of both. For awhile I was relying just on algorithms but switching to primarily active management the past few years has really been invigorating. Renewed my excitement for music. When I do use algorithms to discover some new stuff it's being fed mostly from my own curationnwhich is so much better of getting stuck in a loop where the algorithm recommends something, you select some favorites and then it recommends off those. This starts to really dull and homogonize your library after awhile.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I use it because it's free and tolerable when modded (on pc at least), and a lot of my favorite artists drop there. I get to check new releases, and if something isn't there I'll check other platforms. I will never pay for spotify on principle though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I am interested in alternatives. I stopped paying for Spotify when they were pushing Joe Rogan so hard, and YouTube Music isn't really doing it for me for a variety of reasons. Any good suggestions?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I would also recommend Pandora. I've had a family plan for years so I don't know for sure but there used to be a free (ad supported) tier that you could check out. And to reiterate comments from above, custom playlists and song/album play on demand is available (though some tracks are only available in discovery mode).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I use Apple Music, and I’ve also tried Tidal and Deezer. They’re all good. I recommend taking advantage of the one-month free trials each service offers and seeing which one you prefer. At the end of the day, it really comes down to personal preference.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 days ago

I second this.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It’s not the artist exploitation or their generally predatory practices, no, it’s the lossless audio that really got your attention lmfao

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[–] [email protected] 165 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Clearly most people care more about other factors than they do about audio quality that isn't even discernable through their Bluetooth earbuds.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

Just switched from iPhone to Android. If your Bluetooth headphones support aptx you can definitely hear the difference

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

it's the social features and the network effect. if you want to make a playlist and share it with your friends the easiest way to get them to listen to it is to host it on spotify. also blends, collaborative playlist, jams, and now listening all provide the illusion of connection through a shared listening experience. and it's not so much that these things are better than what we used to have for sharing music, it's that corporations have all killed our ways of sharing music. that's what they really hated about groove shark. artists made more money in the groove shark era, but umg, sony, and warner didn't control how we shared on it.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago (4 children)

i dumped spotify because they raised the price so they could include podcasts that i couldn't give less of a rat's ass about. also the ai bullshit and the refusal to allow me to block artists. spotify can get fucked

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Raised the price for podcasts, raised the price for audiobooks. Guys, I just want a music service…

Then as you mentioned…no ability to block artists or songs. I honestly believe that not listening to a particular song by an artist you otherwise like made it show up even more in radio/shuffle play. Can’t you guys clue into the fact that I skip that track EVERY time you start playing it.

People made alternate desktop clients to customize the homepage cause they were unwilling. The mobile app wasn’t so lucky. Again…my home page doesn’t need to be podcasts, audio books and artists I’ve never listened to but are obviously being boosted by paid promotions.

When they started throwing up full page dialog popups recommending the most ridiculous not even close to what I listen to content multiple times a listening session…I was out. Didn’t just cancel premium, deleted the account and uninstalled the apps. I’m not paying you to actively annoy the shit out of me.

Edit: before people mention the ‘hide this song’ feature. That wasn’t always a thing and is fatally flawed. It just blocks the song on that one album/playlist. If it’s a popular song it’s on who knows how many compilation albums, etc. I’m not gonna go block the same song 10+ times. Heaven forbid it has covers I don’t want to hear either…

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I never moved from pandora to Spotify and could never find a good reason to.

I realize I’m a decade out of the loop, but what did it do better?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i never used pandora--is it true you can't make your own playlists? that would be a no go for me. i switched to tidal and have no complaints

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Pandora was initially antithetical to playlists, the concept was utilizing the music genome project to play songs that are like songs you’ve liked, intelligent radio.

Playlists probably was the thing Spotify had that pandora didn’t have that made Spotify get big, you can make playlists now.

I only use pandora because it’s music discovery is so good tbh.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Playlists? The reason people use Spotify is you can play the individual song or album that you want and you can’t with Pandora. That’s the key difference. Not playlists lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m not entirely sure how selecting the song or songs you want to listen to differs from a playlist, but ok.

I think the concept of a playlist is exactly what you’re describing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh I fundamentally misunderstood the term I guess lol I was reading it as being able to make playlists (like broadly? If that makes sense) as some sort of key feature.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

I think generally it is the key feature.

Internet radio existed before pandora came along, pandora was novel in that it implemented the music genome project. The idea of the user selecting the next song was counter to their intent.

Playlists, and/or the user selecting their songs wasn’t exactly novel except for the free2play model w/ads allowing its widespread adoption.

IMO pandora paved the way for the commercial viability of Spotify, now pandora has playlists and you can select individual songs and albums. I still use it just for the music discovery

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Streaming sites not including the option to block content is frustrating.

I remember when Netflix let you hide individual movies so they didn't clutter up the categories. When it was removed there was a rumor that giving it a low score would hide it but that never worked for me. Don't even remember the other services offering an option to hide stuff.

Really wish that option was common.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can still do that on YouTube.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think of youtube as a streaming site for some reason. Maybe because I only interact with it on a computer and the others through TVs even though everything can go through both.

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