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[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 days ago (2 children)

16 points, so about a standard deviation. That's big, but your own varience can be just as high; the original point of IQ is a measure of how well you'll do in school to detect who may need additional attention (and not an inherent intelligence) so later aged tests include more on knowledge base while earlier tests are more about things like pattern recognition, mental rotation, etc. Infact, it has to get recurved regularly as each generation tends to be roughly 10 or 15 points higher (although idk about gen Z).

All this is to say that a slump of 16 points doesn't have to be shit like lead poisoning or gas fumes (although that certainly doesn't help, and pollution matters), it can simply be the US education system isn't good at teaching students. Cross culture studies already show that, as do differences between the rich and the poor. Or hell, just playing Tetris raises IQ, lol.

It'd obviously help if this wasn't a click bait article, though. People wanting to know why need to read a lot of actual research to know the myriad of different things that impact IQ and not just "haha US stupid."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

The article says 7 points is standard in twins. So this is over twice what is normally seen

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

although idk about gen Z

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I technically meant that in regards to not seeing the research lately, but... lol

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I have children. The amount of trauma a two year old would experience losing their family, being transported to a foreign country and adopted by different people would be ~~traumatic~~intense as hell.

A two year old is not a newborn. That's their entire world blowing up.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (14 children)

Luckily it's very local, time wise. I don't remember a thing from like 5 and earlier.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago

The headline alone just outright insults the other twin. lmao wtf

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

while the other faced hardships with her adoptive family and parents

Does anyone have more info? Abuse, neglect, and malnutrition are proven to reduce IQ. So are the concussions referenced in the article. I would be dubious to make any statements on the back of a single case like this. This is not even outside the realm of possibility of twin IQ variance - albeit unlikely.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

So is lead.

Using historical data on U.S. childhood blood-lead levels, leaded-gas use, and population statistics, they determined the likely lifelong burden of lead exposure carried by every American alive in 2015.

https://today.duke.edu/2024/12/20th-century-lead-exposure-damaged-american-mental-health

She looks pretty young, but still.

Also, just schooling, lol. US education sucks donkey dick

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The photo is stock. They’re in their 40s so it could be lead. The US twin experienced multiple serious concussions, so that alone might explain a 16 point IQ difference.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Not stock, slop.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago

This summer, they're gonna get their parents back together!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Irrelavant but awesome: DJ Format - Separated at Birth (if you ever played with old school hot wheels cars, this is your wet dream...)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

neat video, but the beat was annoying and didnt seem to have any variance, had to watch

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

genuinely? I liked the almost sloppy yet primal feel of that everpresent beat

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