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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I was germophobic my entire life up until like a year or two ago where I kinda got over it and stopped giving a shit, but I'm still incredibly paranoid about food expiration, even when the best before day hasn't been reached as is 1-2 days away.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There are different types of dates in the US. Few things have expiration dates, which means it can be dangerous (or, for medication, ineffective) after that date. Most things have "best before" dates, which means the company has tested the product that far from its production and found it still met the quality standard.

The problem is that the FDA requires that testing and that every product have such a date. People have mentioned salt, which is inert, having a date, and that's probably the most ridiculous example, but there are lots of things that have super long shelf lives beyond the best buy dates. Honey, soy sauce, bottled water, and vinegar being examples that come to mind.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Old plastic bottled water can have chemicals from the plastic leached in to it that you wouldn't want to ingest though.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

What if I'm both? I know expiration dates aren't literally when the thing instantly stops being edible, but if the date is from months ago, I know it's probably not worth it, except for maybe canned/frozen food.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

Best By dates are not expiration dates, expiration dates are estimates.

That said, my wife has no concept of expiration until something is obviously covered in mold, and says some wild stuff. "Oh that's got lemon juice in it, it doesn't expire" like babe, lemon juice isn't some timeless magic spell.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

These do not sound like mutually exclusive perspectives. Why not both?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Expiration dates are literally made up, very infrequently will any actual testing be done to see the exact time it takes for a food to decay enough to be either unenjoyable, unpalatable or inedible.

They're usually 1 week from mfgr for unpreserved foods, 2 weeks to a month for soft foods like American sandwich bread, 3 months to a year for dry goods (depending on what it is) and up to several years for canned goods.

My salt has an expiration date. Salt is a rock, it is millions of years old (not sea salt, mined salt). It does not expire.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Except diary. Milk has an expiration date that (for me at least) is accurate to within 12 hours or so, when refrigerated.

Protip: if this plagues you, grab the Lactaid (lactose-free) stuff. It lasts longer. Soy milk lasts even longer than that, but I get that's not for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I don’t know where you got your information, and I can’t speak for other food stuffs, but I used to work in a milk bottling facility. I did quality assurance. Part of my job was to take gallons of milk (many of them) and put them in refrigeration until two days after the expiration date, and then taste them. While most of them tasted pretty much fine, about 30% were sour, coagulated, or some other sign of type of spoiled.

Expiration dates are real, but they are an estimation of when the product will go bad. Use your own judgement. Smells/tastes bad/weird, or is oddly oily and stuff, probably don’t consume that. Seems completely fine but past the expiration date, you will probably be completely fine.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't mean any offense but is hiring someone to drink expired milk the best way of testing it? Can't they like measure bacteria or chemical composition or something?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In Japan they have two types of dates, which map to "Use by" and "Best before", but they don't use them interchangeably or some vague middle-of-the-road term like "expiry date". One is operative, the other is a recommendation.

消費期限 (shouhi-kigen) literally means "consumption time limit" and 賞味期限 (shoumi-kigen) literally means "guarantee of taste time limit".

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

They are estimations. I do give them weight in the to eat or not to eat decision, but I also use my own senses.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Let me put it this way: They print expiration dates on SALT.
Now, it's pretty convenient that stores here in Denmark sell products cheaper just before they "expire" because certain products actually get better with time like cheese.
Safe to say I'm the second type hehe..

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

because certain products actually get better with time like cheese.

Under the right conditions. Sitting on grocery shelves is not one of those right conditions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

In rare cases white mold cheese will taste like blue mold cheese because of cross contamination, but that's about the only defect I've experienced buying cheese close to their expiration dates. Oh, and camembert cheeses being a bit too runny and ammonia tasting, but as a sicko I kind of like that.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know if it's correct, but for the first type I once read that it might be because of the packaging and/or the interaction between product and packaging that might affect the product. And even if it would still be "never expires", the company doesn't want to pay to verify.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

I recognize that "best by" dates are mostly bullshit, but I'm also a firm believer in "why risk it?" Especially for food where you can't tell if it's gone bad, like canned goods. I don't fuck around with botulism.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i'm the person that understands the conflict of interest between companies and the creation of their own expiration dates.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In the US, expiration dates aren't a thing. The date on the product is just the last date the company will guarantee it meets their quality standards.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

With one exception. Baby food/formula. Those companies do not fuck around with the dates, because they got regulated.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There is no "expired", only "improperly fermented". Sure, it could be very bad, but then you should've paid attention to it in advance, respect the nutrient and all living things who brought it about.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Could you explain your suggestion that there's a correlation between one's subjective awareness of a food item's nutritional content and it's objective fitness for human consumption over time? These things seem entirely unrelated to me.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Expiration date believers are my sworn enemies.

When I was 14, I hated cheerios and had a whole pack bit noone in my family liked em.

Noticed it expired the same date as me and my brothers birthday and we excitedly waited and threw it out on our birthday.

Still regret it to this day.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Food waste. Completely unnecessary

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I recognize that "best before" means exactly what it says

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Me.

If it's after the BB date it means you have to use your sense and senses to make the determination.

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