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If a user from a defederated instance comments on a community I moderate, how do I moderate the user or their comment? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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If my account is on Blahaj and the community I moderate is on another instance like lemmy.world, and the user is from an instance we defederate from like hexbear, I won't see the hexbear user's comments (or even their user if I search for it) from my Blahaj instance, and so I don't see a way I can moderate their comments on the lemmy.world instance I moderate.

Does this seem right? Is there any workaround?

(I guess I could make an account on the same instance as the community I moderate just for moderating that instance?)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

It depends on where the community is hosted.

If the community is a blahaj based community, then when we defederate, we stop sending community updates to their instance, and we don't accept any updates from people on that instance, so their posts to the community never make it to us.

Which is to say, it is technically possible for folks on the defederated community to post and reply to old stuff in the community that existed before defederation, but even then, it won't reach anyone else. It will just stay on the defederated instance. And they will not get new content, so they aren't secretly replying and interacting to current conversations.

If the community is not based on blahaj, and the instance we have defederated from isn't defederated from the instance that hosts the community, then basically, you need to bring on other mods/alts from the instance that hosts the community.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They can still comment? Wow, Lemmy needs to impliment proper blocking like mastodon has or something. It's terrible that they haven't figured this out yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They can't

Which is to say, it is technically possible for folks on the defederated community to post and reply to old stuff in the community that existed before defederation, but even then, it won’t reach anyone else.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/44285185/18729518

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, that comment showed up after we commented. Still, good to know. It's still a shame that there is no actual genuine user blocking (two way) on lemmy though, so you can see why we thought that maybe they slacked in other areas too.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

My answer to this is to moderate from an instance that doesn't defederate any other instance (other than illegally egregious ones) - SDF.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

right, but wouldn't it be best to have an account on the instance the community you moderate is on? Presumably this is the best way to have exact parity - the the community won't support comments or users from instances it defederates from, right?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

iirc that's very recommended anyway. Eg. @[email protected] also has the account @[email protected] for moderating [email protected]. Otherwise, many mod actions may not federate correctly to the communitie's instance (or smth)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep. As well as @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yep that's right

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

mod actions generally do federate correctly, at least on the latest lemmy versions. it's just reports that don't.

but in general, you will need an account on the community instance to get full federation abilities when you take potential instance bans and defederations into account. even when it's not a defederation, if a user is banned from your instance but not from the community instance their posts won't make it to you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

You can ban directly using Tesseract and if mod actions federate there it'll ban them, and it'll also remove their comments if you tick remove submissions. I've done it before for users banned from Blahaj but commenting in our communities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

oo, thanks - that's good to know.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course! I was just telling you what I do. I didn't claim it was perfect 🙂

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

oh, sorry - didn't mean that as a critique, just was thinking out loud and wondering if there was a reason I wasn't seeing to moderate from a single open instance (like you) vs the approach of having a moderator account for the instance of the community you moderate 🤔