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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah he's correct in a way, the Dems have been doing liberal identity politics and culture wars while serving Wall Street, totally ignoring working class issues (including the working class LGBTQ community). Trans sports and bathrooms isn't the top concern for the your average working class individual struggling with bills. Trump was able to capitalize on this. Dems will totally miss the point though, instead of focusing on improving living conditions for the working class, they'll just go right and become anti-trans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The worst thing the Dems do is adopt the language of a more revolutionary movement (trans inclusivity and acceptance being a big one) and shoehorn the demands of that movement into small incremental nothing changes. Things like "oh yay! Ivy League sports teams now have to allow trans athletes to use their locker room of choice" and similar small scale policy changes.

This serves to neuter the movement because people entering it see it as toothless because the original demands of restructuring the mentality of society to understand and innately recognize and tolerate these natural states of humanity become the equivalent of "we're giving a $5000 grant to small businesses that last 5 years in a minority community" type actions.

The danger of identity politics as practiced by the Dems is that's it prescriptive and demeaning instead of revolutionary and empowering.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I think this sentiment misses the mark too, because Democrats weren't exactly pushing a trans acceptance message either. Republicans literally started every single phase of the trans backlash, whether it was bathroom bills or women's sports, and the Dems have offered nothing in response, thus allowing the Reps to totally control the conversation because trans activists don't own a large enough microphone to effectively counter message against conservatives by themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I think it comes from Democratic-aligned activists more than anything. Maybe more measures taken place at the municipal level too. National Dems have done fuck all

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah Dems got forced into opposition begrudgingly on trans issues (and gay issues). They've done the barest minium at arms length with their nose upturned in disgust.

(except for some occaisonal red state Democrats)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

ya, as i recall the main democrat message was "we'll follow the law". not exactly championing anything there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The fash are out there doing The Scrolls Of The Elders Of Transgenderism and this is what the supposedly "good guys" react.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

unrelated but

At one point Kirk said podcasts are too “masculine” for Democrats to perform well on as a platform. Newsom asked him what he meant by that, but didn’t disagree.

jesse-wtf gender is fake and all but this clown thinks sitting in front of a mic and yapping for a couple of hours is masculine?????? lmao what??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

they remembered all the bro podcasts but forgot that true crime poscasts are for women liz-society

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Whats more emblamatic of masculinity than wrapping your fingers 'round a large phallicly shaped object, bowing your head close to it, and gently car.... volcel-kamala

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You know, my bar for reactionary war mongering class traitors incapable of standing in the way of fascism was historically set by the SPD, but the DemoKKKrats make even them look like Lenin incarnate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I don't think that the dems were ever really in the position to be class traitors to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Mainstream Democrats: emulate Republicans but slightly less extreme

Also Democrats: lose election after election because they're running against the party whose verbiage and positions they are co-opting

"This is the fault of those fucking ungrateful tankies and minorities"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have a bad feeling that this strategy of being actively hostile towards trans people might actually give them a massive win in the next election.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I strongly doubt that. The average voter does not care about trans issues one way or the other. Democrat politicians wanna ditch trans people because they're an easy minority to throw under the bus, but there is not actually anyone for whom this is a deciding issue. A massive Democrat win might coincide with them being hostile to trans people because Trump 2.0 is the worst thing ever, but it's not gonna be responsible for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The voters may not care as much but the media sure as fuck does. And the Democrats are slowly drifting towards the same direction UK Labour did not too long ago, where they could decide that being passive on this issue and constantly having to answer to transphobic rhetoric makes them look weak in the eyes of the voter, and instead take a more active approach against us.

Of course the situation in the US is not exactly the same as in the UK, but judging by the reactions a lot of Democrats had immediately after the election, it’s fair to say that there is a sizable block within the party that is willing to pull a Starmer.

Edit: And while voters may not care directly about us, they certainly are fed up with it being constantly talked about and just want this "issue" to be resolved (with Democrats kneecapping us being the easiest, most straight-forward way to make themselves appear to be strong, level-headed realists).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The voters kind of do care though. I cannot count how many times random mentions of “alphabet people,” “wokeness going too far,” “trying to make men do womens sports,” and “they’re brainwashing the children” has come up from people who hate Trump and MAGA but think the Dems have gone too far with trans rights. I’ve heard this said from people who claimed to be apolitical. It’s kind of like how people claim not to have too strong of an opinion on immigration but you just need to be a minority that the immigrant group tends to consist of and you’ll find out just how quickly the average voter actually cares.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

i think it's mainly because we're the smallest minority they represent and they're absolutely not going to campaign on a pro-labor working class agenda. throwing us under the bus won't win them shit but it's easy and the consultant class will get another round of checks from it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

we're the smallest minority they represent

Billionaires side-eye-1 side-eye-2

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

true, true. smallest -marginalized- minority they claim to represent would be most accurate i guess

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump massively fucking up over the next two years are going to win Democrats some seats in the midterms, and that outcome will persuade them that their "strategy" is working. When they go full hog in 2028 they will lose again and wonder what happened.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I think 2028 will swing Dem because the economy will be worse than it is now. Then I think 2032 will swing Rep because the economy will be worse than it was in 2028. This pattern will repeat until something breaks.