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I'm surprised so many people still don't realize that HR exists to protect the company, not the employee. Yes, since a bad or reckless manager can put the company at significant risk, sometimes they will take the side of the employee, but not because it's their charter.
Exactly. They're not there for you.
Humans are the resource.
The fact that it's called human resources instead of something less dystopian should be a hint. If you want an actual ally as an employee you gotta unionize.
one time i had to interrupt an hr sensitivity seminar because the trainer casually threw down an ethnic slur for me
What the fuck?
A coworker drunkenly made out with my face at a work event and HR tried to send me to a sexually harassment seminar so I could "learn what sexually assault really is"
Another great quote from that meeting: "if you knew she was a sloppy drunk, why were you hanging out with her?"
HR is there to protect the company - not you
Ayyyy~ what the fuck?
It was crazy. What made it worse was that I didn't even report it...my friend was so upset about it, he told his boss.
When the HR director asked me what I wanted to happen to the girl, I told her NOTHING. I don't want her fired or anything, I don't even work directly with her. Then she asked why, if I didn't want anything to happen, I reported it? BITCH I DIDN'T I was going to find a new job and move the fuck on with my life
That last line is the key take-away for dealing with ANY HR.
Never forget who signs their paychecks.
"If you're going to start a meeting with fat shaming me, then yes; I am going to fire back. Don't dish it out if you can't take it yourself.
If you have a problem with that, we can get the lawyers involved and discuss it further."
But I also live somewhere that actually has labour laws and where 'at-will' employment is a ridiculous concept. If you want to fire someone (after their three months probation), you've gotta have a good reason and you better document it throughly.
"At will" isn't as magical as people think.
If you terminate an employee without documented cause, you still have to pay them unemployment.
they can just say they're downsizing, or the employee hasn't been performing well, or any other lie. as long as they don't specifically mention that you're being terminated for something illegal you'll never stand a chance in court.
that being said. record every meeting with hr, they slip up more than you think
That's simply not true.
If you're laid off they have to pay unemployment. If you aren't performing well they have to show records proving it when you file unemployment and they try to deny the claim.
Please don't talk about topics on which you're clearly uninformed, because the belief that someon3 can be fired for anything with no recourse keeps people from filing for unemployment when they're 100% eligible.
All "at will" means is that they can fire you for any reason or no reason. They may still be required to pay unemployment, but they don't have to keep you on staff.
I'm in PA, so yeah unfortunately this is how it goes. hats off to y'all in states with slightly better laws, but this is how it goes in my state. I speak from personal experience as well as the experience of my friends.
and all that documentation can be easily fabricated or cherry picked to try to make a point that isn't there.
it doesn't matter how the system is supposed to work, the laws in this country and PA especially are so fucked that it very rarely works out in the employees favor. you can potentially get unemployment, but wrongful termination suits very rarely go anywhere.
No, that's not how it works in PA or any state.
You're incorrect regarding unemployment eligibility as it relates to at-will employment status, and since you don't know what you're talking about you need to shut the fuck up before you discourage people from even attempting to pursue their rights when they lose their job.
In practice this just means that your documented cause will be fabricated.
It doesn't really need to be fabricated. It's stupid easy to build a case to legitimately fire anyone.
I used to feel bad for Toby that Michael was constantly shitting on him. That is, until I encountered corporate HR. And now I too hate so much about the things that Toby chooses to be.
True lore: in one episode, Toby says that he was actually training to be a priest, but he gave it up to hook up with a woman. (who later left him and is now his ex.) Then he just took the first job that he saw. ...almost as if he was guided to it by a higher power?
So canonically Toby is in a living hell because he rejected his god to indulge his fornicatory lust.
Why are you the way you are?
Toby's from HR, which means he's not a part of our family. Also he's divorced so he's not really a part of his family either.
Who would have imagined that a department called "human resources" wouldn't have your best interests in mind?
Most functional HR departments actually do have the workers best interests at heart, because protecting the company and not screwing over workers usually has a ton of overlap. But HR does a lot more than handle workplace disputes.
Where I'm working they rebranded HR to ✨"People & Culture"✨ so I don't know what you mean. With that name, they simply must have our best interests in mind instead of always siding with the higher ranking individual.
Weird, at my company they changed it to "flesh asset repair and removal."
Aperture science?
This was a triumph! I'm making a note here, "Huge success!"
Found the meatbag Amazon warehouse employee
If you think about the phrasing of the title “Human Resources”, it makes sense that they are not your friends.
Let’s look at the definition of the word resource:
resource /rē′sôrs″, -zôrs″, rĭ-sôrs′, -zôrs′/
noun
- Something that is available for use or that can be used for support or help. “The local library is a valuable resource.”
- An available supply, especially of money, that can be drawn on when needed.
Those definitions describe disposable commodities; easily replaceable. The adjective “human” simply refines what type of disposable and replaceable commodities that the department deals with.
If you want someone to be your advocate your best interests at a job, you’ll need to hire a lawyer. In the meantime, make sure you take notes, and follow everything up with an email (bcc your personal email a copy of each correspondence).
If your state allows one-party consent, you can even record conversations; be very aware that despite being legal, it will likely get you fired with prejudice if anybody finds out you’ve been recording them without their knowledge.
That's why forward-looking and thoughtful tech companies call them "People ops," which changes absolutely nothing about what they do.
It could also be interpreted as "resources for humans", but you're spot on