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As posted about recently in [email protected] and [email protected] it seems that @[email protected]'s stance on transphobia has not changed and his apology only seems to be that he was sorry he got caught and that someone leaked the DM. This is concerning for an admin of Lemmy.ml and the leader of the project. I don't think this means we should stop using Lemmy, it's open-source and even if they embed donation links, they can be stripped out in our fork. But it does make me wonder if we should consider defederating lemmy.ml on that merit. Since if they hold such views on trans issues, it's very likely they won't have any desire to act on that type of transphobia being expressed on their instance.

I know that Lemmy.ml has and does handle overt transphobia well, but I can't speak to their ability to handle less overt or thinly veiled transphobia, and this incident doesn't inspire much confidence either.

Edit: Since some people haven't seen the original. I decided to include it here. Warning, it contains transphobia, if you don't want to see that, don't open the spoiler.

CW: Transphobic talking points

I'd really like to hear Feedback from Blahaj's local community on this, I'm not as interested in outside opinions here so please try to refrain from top-level commenting if you aren't from lemmy.blahaj.zone (I will ignore them if you comment anyway from a remote instance).

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm disappointed in nutomic's statements as well. I won't be donating him any money, but it seems hypocritical to say you won't stop using Lemmy, but you want to defed from .ml.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

How? It's free and open source software. This sentiment just seems dumb. Where's the implication that using free and open-source software like Lemmy means you need to support the devs or federate with their server? I see no such rule, and it's not like they can stop or disallow you from using it (nature of open-source).

Anyone can host an instance and choose to run it however they like, the devs have no control in how or why people use Lemmy. It seems like a lot of people have trouble grasping this concept.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not talking about rules. How is using software maintained by nutomic fundamentally different from federating with an instance they run?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If you are using the Lemmy software, which is open source, that is just an interface. (plus their are other Lemmy apps and web browser uis that aren't maintained by the original Lemmy team. By not using their server that's you dedicating resources into your own type of community that is govern differently and is clearly not the same as the default Lemmy.ml instance.

Since the software is open source the main simple, straight to the point difference is who is running what servers you are federated with. Using Lemmy also doesn't automatically mean you are supporting the Lemmy devs since they are not profiting from ad revenue. They would ask for donations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Are there ads on .ml I'm unaware of? I'm using Voyager and don't see any. I can't see how me using nutomic's instance (or federating with it) benefits him any more or less than using his software project. As others have noted in this thread, moderation on .ml is generally excellent, and not tolerant of transphobia.

Ultimately, blahaj isn't my home so I don't expect a say in what you decide. I'm just sceptical of the logic here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

I stated that using Lemmy (the software/app) doesn't / does not automatically mean you are supporting the original Lemmy devs. What I was mainly getting at was, when I said, "Since the software is open source the main simple, straight to the point difference is who is running what servers you are federated with." but that also certainly extends to the the server you are on as well.

No one is saying stop using Lemmy over this, in my opinion, it's because not one person or company owns all of Lemmy servers and communities. So the difference really lies with the specific people running your servers and communities. Can you trust them, can your instance provider trust them. Do you trust them or your instance provider.

That is the difference.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The same way that having code on your computer written by stallman doesn't mean you support him or his views. Unless the creator backdoored it to do what they want against your authority, it doesn't mean a whole lot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

OK sure, but how does federating (not even having an account here like me) with his instance mean you support nutomic or his views?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago

Using a discussion forum moderated by someone is a completely different thing than using code written by them. A mod or admin of an instance has power to shape discussion on that instance.

It's not just about "supporting" him in some abstract sense, it's about potentially exposing blahaj users to the very hate that blahaj is meant to be a safe space from.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

When did I say that? I said we should consider defederation as a community because transphobic views of an admin are risky and may lead to inaction towards transphobia on that server. That's the whole reason why we defederated feddit.uk before this, which is why I wanted feedback on this, from the local Blahaj.zone community.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

yea let's defederate.

somthin somthin terf-tankie-whatevr... somthin along those lines... i dun evn kno whad those words mean

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago
  • TERF = Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists (transphobia)
  • Tankie = Apologists for outright oppressive, murderous regimes like Putin's Russia and North Korea
[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

If there is content on defederated instances users want access to they can make accounts on other servers.

Not to automatically assume that these users want to see hateful content, but as generally small that Lemmy is, some users might feel that defederating from such a massive server not worth the lack of content and communication. Blahaj does great with protecting trans users I appreciate this, but I would suggest to consider the overall health of Lemmy overall and what such a drastic action might have on their own community. Could it results on the communities activity to decline due to less interaction?

There might be some bad communities and some other good ones on lemmy.ml, with activity and if the largest servers are defederated, now users will have to make multiple accounts on other servers and hope that they can see certain content, when it use to be if they wanted to make multiple accounts just because.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

seen a couple of TERFs get bullied off of my fedi TLs lately and it warms my heart

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is this guy even real? lmao at this point he might as well admit to being a christo-facist

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're doing what many TERFs do, trying to cover up their bigotry with politeness and trying to sound like it's about logic or discussing the meaning of things. Trying to make their transphobia seem acceptable. Then they say trans people are unreasonable when they get called out or banned for their bigotry.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

Well terfs are definitely nazis

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think defederating almost any instance is dumb, not my instance though so do what you will.

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