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Honestly I just stopped caring about developer's personalities or political views. If you only use products made by nice guys who share your political views you won't use anything in your life. Not even a phone.

After reading a lot of the material I am not convinced the hyprland dev can reasonably be called a "fascist".

It's an interesting story, though.

Repeat after me:

"You do not support a project or its dev in any way by just using the software you got for free."

In fact, unless you donate, advertize or contribute to the project, you're a net drain on its resources.

Fuck hyprland

All my homies hate hyprland

Vaxry is not a very smart guy. He originally got a wrist slap by FDO saying don't do your toxic shit here. Then he followed it up by going postal on the FDO mailing list. Then he put up a blog post where he was like like "SJWs are coming for me".

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists

The entire argument is that you can't make an exclusionary space for people (no definition of what that means) but you should be able to call them slurs. Who would want anything to do with him? He should have gone full tilt and made a list of slurs you should be allowed to say beyond just arguing for the R-slur. That would have really convinced people he's not an extremely toxic right wing weirdo.

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

This was his non-apology where he says "lets be real" a lot which is a common way of just ignoring a criticism and then he follows it up with, I should have banned that user instead of doing what I did.

Asking for professionalism in the OSS community is not a huge deal. It's also quite literally not even about the code AFAIR Drew Devault is still taking Vaxry's patches. He just doesn't want him in the community starting shit with people.

Find a better cause than this nothing burger. Literally nothing better to do but complain about some old discussion. God forbid you forgive and move on. No you said something that offended me years ago and I will not forgive such a terrible transgression. This 'look at me" posting is so tiring. Look at how great I am. Don't worry everyone I'll fall on the sword and call out the bad people.

What's Hyprland?

You probably don't care about my opinion, but one of the reason I don't really care about this is that I only have the "drama" second hand from very unreliable sources. There is the Vaxry's version of the story which cannot be trusted because that's conflict of interest. Then there is Drew, who according to a Distrotube video is quite a bizzare person, who really enjoys to stir the drama and write these extremely misleading "hitpieces" on famous FOSS people. The issue is that to me Distrotube is not a credible source regarding this either because he's got for me too schizo view of the world. He has a rifle collection, in case he has to fight for his country. (including a rifle, "that's good for children")

So it's just too foggy for me. Well I don't promote Hyprland because I don't care about my computer's "looks" and because according to some (I think) Void dev, Hyprland code is crap. But that's a different story. Anyways my point is that I can see why people can see it as not that bad.

edit: adding sources for the Drew, Distrotube and Void stuff, in that order. Also the Drew video relies on indirect evidence but for me it's fairly convincing.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NLHIIVppdMw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nvQ-ZY460WQ

https://reddit.com/r/voidlinux/comments/1eb3ivp/on_hyprland

I think it’s really funny how in proprietary software, if you download stuff without asking, you’re presumed to have economically harmed a business. But in free and open source software, if you download stuff without asking, you’re presumed to have economically benefited the random individual that made the project.

I don't care, i care for the tech. I don't need to make friends with the devs of the tech nor give them my money.

They have different political views than me, yes. Does it affect the tech they develop? Not in my opinion.

And on that note, I condemn in the harshest terms the response from communities like /r/linux on the subject. The vile harassment and hate directed at the FDO officer in question is obscene and completely unjustifiable. I don’t care what window manager or desktop environment you use – this kind of behavior is completely uncalled for. I expect better.

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Sadly there are many people in the open source community who don't care, to them if the software is good then it doesn't matter who the artist is.

Specifically with the Linux community I feel like it's half queer people and half middle aged men and the other half often doesn't care and likely lean right wing or libertarian anyway.

That's my opinion at least. Tons of people still use and recommend Proton even though its founder and owner is toxic and harmful to queer people as well.

I thought this was going to be a new article or news, but it's from April 9, 2024.

I think this situation has been picked over and rehashed now to the point where anyone who was going to change their behaviour will have already done so. If there is no update on the situation then all I see is you dragging up drama from a year ago.

It is a quandary.

I would not support the project monetarily because I would not want to fund the primary persons behind it.

But Hyprland is FOSS is it not? Someone could fork the project to resolve the issue you are describing.

If this does not resolve the issue in your opinion (as you seem to have concerns with the "roots" of the project), and if we go with that logic, we should be just as opposed to using the modern "Jerry" gas can as it was a Nazi invention originally.

Both good and evil people invent things - whether the thing that is invented is itself reflective or could be considered supportive of the inventors ideals varies. Nazi's are terrible and I don't want to support them, but at the same time I think that it is good and useful to be able to safely and effectively transport gas if needed, and I'm not so certain that function supports Nazi ideals. If I purchased the gas can from a Nazi, then it would, but nothing is being purchased in the case of Hyprland as far as I am aware.

I don't know a tonne about Hyprland as a thing however, so my decision on whether or not to use it may also vary.

In short, you can have massive, entirely valid criticisms of the evil deeds of a person, but that does not necessarily fault everything they invent or touch, even if we would like it to. This is the crux of the Composition/Division logical fallacy if I am not mistaken, which is where we make an assumption that what is true about part of something must be applied to the rest of it without exception.

In this instance, the inventor may be evil but it does not automatically mean that their inventions are inherently evil.

If there are criticisms of Hyprland, the software itself - then it is a different matter.

I don't really care, the Lemmy devs also got some funky political opinions but I'm still here

at the end of the day software is software and this stuff is all free and open source anyway