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Russia feels "threatened" by NATO.
It's a defense pact. As long as you don't attack nothing happens - so why would you feel threatened by that if you don't plan on attacking those countries?
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Cue conspiracies about NATO strong-arming countries into joining to further the imperialist agenda of the United States (and their goal of making Russia a scapegoat for all the world's problems). Yes they exist.
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The Russian state uses nationalism to distract their own people from the state's own corruption. It is a tried and tested obfuscation to maintain power and control over the masses.
Far worse in west. Russia is only side in this conflict that ever worked for peace, including an 8 year delay in repressing Ukraine's/West nazi hatred.
It's day 1167 of a 3 day SMO. Is putin bad at counting?
How about this for a thought
Western countries just negotiate with Russia and everyone agrees that Ukraine doesn't join NATO because doing so destabilizes the entire region.
Instead everyone wants to shoehorn Ukraine into NATO even if it costs us all the risk of nuclear war.
Ukraine can still be protected and defended by western interests in other ways without involving NATO.
The big sticking point here is NATO ..... take it off the negotiating table, then you can see where the Russians are at.
Otherwise, there's a war being fought with a steady stream of people dying because someone wants to join an exclusive club?
The hate level of EU is too damn high. Obviously NATO membership for Ukraine was never serious, it was just nazi animation meant to diminish Russia. It failed in that Russian military production now higher than all of West, and they are replacing faster than losses.
The real path for peace is to get Russia to demilitarize as well as Ukraine. VdL needing a "peace" that makes Ukraine stronger than it is now, is nazi subhuman filth that must be exterminated from policy influence. But EU/western democracy brainwashing levels are just proven to be so extreme, that collapse is certain.
Ukraine wants to join NATO specifically to prevent Russia from invading again. What do you not get about that?
Ukraine can be protected without NATO? Like that deal they made where they gave up the nuclear missiles in exchange for security guarantees? Yeah, nice try. Once again you're defending putin's imperialism with weak excuses, what a surprise.
Ukraine doesn’t join NATO because doing so destabilizes the entire region
Damn I'm really excited for the mental gymnastics you'll need to explain this lmaoo.
Here's Biden performing these gymnastics all the way back in 1997 (in reference to the Baltics joining, but the argument applies verbatim to Ukraine):
“I think the one place, where the greatest consternation will be caused in the short term, for admission, having nothing to do with the merit, the preparedness of the country to come in, would be to admit the Baltic States now in terms of NATO-Russian, US-Russian relations. And if there was ever anything that was going to tip the balance were it to be tipped, in terms of a vigorous and a hostile reaction, I don’t mean military, in Russia, it would be that.”
Here's George Kennan performing the same gymnastics:
"I think it is the beginning of a new cold war. I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake."
And there's many, many more examples like this.
The simple fact of the matter is that we all saw this coming miles ahead, and we went ahead anyway. We threw Ukraine under the bus. Even moreso after the war started, publicly dangling the carrot of joining NATO in front of Ukraine while privately never intending to let them join.
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Western countries just negotiate with Russia and everyone agrees that Ukraine doesn’t join NATO because doing so destabilizes the entire region.
Joining NATO would destabilize the entire region because... it would force Russia to invade Ukraine even harder?
Have you considered why Ukraine wants to join NATO so fucking badly?
The big sticking point here is NATO … take it off the negotiating table, then you can see where the Russians are at.
Invading Ukraine, like they did in 2014, long before NATO membership was a consideration for Ukraine?
The reason why Russia is so staunchly against Ukraine (or any other countries) joining NATO is because it makes it that much harder to start a landgrab war.
Otherwise, there’s a war being fought with a steady stream of people dying because someone wants to join an exclusive club?
There's a war being fought with a steady stream of people dying because Russia invaded with the intent to murder Ukrainians and exterminate Ukraine as an independent nation.
Ukraine wanting to join the "Don't invade me" club is hardly fucking surprising in light of that.
Ukraine wasn't going to join NATO before the war, even after losing the Crimean peninsula.
Ukraine needs security guarantees because they have been invaded twice in a generation. What non-NATO guarantee is going to be acceptable to Ukraine?
That's the biggest fuck up off it all. Just holding Crimea was enough for it to be impossible for Ukraine to join NATO, as there may be no disputed territories and they would have never given it up formally.
Putin should've backed out and regrouped a lot better and more carefully after his full scale invasion failed miserably. It's been a nonsense keep going out of principle war for years now and the biggest loser is Russia (it's hard to even calculate the impact of a lost generation of young men + loss of influence world wide because of how crappy weapons systems turn out to be in real war instead of demonstrations.
Meanwhile there's an enormous diaspora of Ukrainians growing in many western European countries now and they became de facto part of the club a lot stronger and faster than anyone could have ever imagined before 2022.
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To be fair, the Russians do have an answer to that: Western secret services like the CIA have been infiltrating those countries' governments and/or orchestrated anti-Russian, pro-Western coups.
To be fair yet again, that answer is a load of bullshit, those democratic governments have plenty of genuine popular support, the people in these countries are anti-Russian because of personal experiences with the Russian state, not just because of propaganda, and the USA, while influential to an outsized degree, is obviously not just "calling the shots" on the entire western world. Things would look very different if they were.
the USA, while influential to an outsized degree, is obviously not just “calling the shots” on the entire western world. Things would look very different if they were.
They would look exactly the same: Every political party devoted to US empire/NATO. Complete intolerance for voices for peace.
Speaking of "calling the shots", the EU and/or UK narratives are even funnier. If some country in Europe takes action against Russian government:
- And the US agrees with that: "US made their puppet do that"
- And the US disagrees or obviously not involved: "Ha, US can't control their corrupt puppets!", or "The anglosaxon deepstate strikes again"
Europe and Russia fighting among themselves, with Europe paying for it all, is CIA/US empire's wet dream.
Europe was trying not to fight with Russia (although it's time to, and I'm speaking as a Russian), but if you only watched TV, you would never know.
Europe, whose politicians are all appointed by CIA/US empire, has been imbued with a hatred for Russia. Ukraine support was a manifestation of that hatred, and US empire sycophancy. That Trump would like Russia's passivity for a war on Iran, doesn't stop the Russophobia programming in EU, and their scrambling to derail any end to the war.
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Western secret services like the CIA have been infiltrating those countries’
Yeah, that's serious cultural appropriation against the russians.
And the thing is, many European countries don't even want to join NATO specifically, they want to join the EU-- a non-military, supranational organisation. However, the Russian government see the EU and NATO as one and the same, even though many EU members are not NATO members themselves and don't want to be.
To continue to be fair, that whole claim is just DARVOing about what Russian spies are doing to the west.
They spent two decades saying this and then installed a puppet dictator in america lmao
Lolllllllllll... Fk I hope we can laugh about this in 10-20 years.
Western secret services like the CIA have been infiltrating those countries’ governments and/or orchestrated anti-Russian, pro-Western coups.
Even if, unless you're planning offensive actions, you shouldn't be worried about countries joining a defensive military structure.
you shouldn’t be worried about countries joining a defensive military structure
Non credible kool aid. NATO is an organization for pure evil to attempt to diminish Russia, and will not restrict itself from saying such absurd lies in order to inflict demonism.
Nice ragebait lmao.