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[–] [email protected] 33 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I recently learned that there's a group dedicated to planting 1000 trees in the city of Trenton, NJ, USA. I'm really glad to see a city working to bring back a little nature!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

In Vienna, Austria, Europe, every tree removed has to be replaced with a new as per regulation

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

This is missing out on likely the most important part of trees in urban areas. Shade. They give you a cooler place to stand or walk through.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 16 hours ago

No standing or sitting allowed. Resume consumerism!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 16 hours ago

This just makes me think it’s an aquarium that needs to be cleaned.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Upkeep costs. Oh, wait.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

Your just thinking outside the box!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

A few reasons: Trees need a lot of space and the space underneath a sidewalk isn't enough for long term life. They can die after like 30 years? This is tree dependent and location dependent.

Tree roots can destroy sidewalks making it harder for people to go over them. (Think people in wheel chairs)

Liability in terms of damage (have you seen trees after a storm?)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Sounds like we need to remove the need for sidewalks. Rip up all the roads in the city and replace them with green space. Problem solved

[–] [email protected] 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yes to ripping up roads for greenspace, not to removing sidewalks too.

Make the citu green and walkable, and you solve so many problems in one go

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 16 hours ago

I disagree. Pavement is valuable to pedestrians, cyclists, emergency and service vehicles, and the disabled. While it's important to preserve nature as much as possible, some urbanisation is also a good thing. That said, I'm not sure algae tanks would be necessary in areas where huge tracts of land aren't dedicated to parking. I can't really think of where my city would benefit from them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Still and this is the big thing, these are all possible considerations, plenty of urban areas, once they reduce street traffic to what is seen in European and other areas could also vastly greenify areas via mini parks allowing root space (and tbh if it messes with a sidewalk well then fix it like what functional societies with infrastructure budgets doi). All in all this just gives off techbro "genius solution" grifting and likely isn't even possible on a large scale given I swear I've seen this same tumblr reblog before and yet areas that are hard on trees (Like LA) still has a crap ton of palms and other trees not even remotely habitable to the climate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

I should have mentioned this but usually stuff like this is planted in front of people's houses etc. I wouldn't expect a pine tree planted in one of those. Same with a palm tree.

I'm from Pittsburgh and there's a lot of greenery projects and ecological restoration currently going on. Outside of the city, it's very heavily wooded. But it's slow progress.

Those giant algae tanks miss the large point of trees and their physical benefits and do feel like a tech bro solution looking for a problem.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

I guess it would take a lot of time to accommodate Mars for trees. More than for algae ;)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago

Less infrastructure erosion from roots? Integration into places like above ground parking spaces? Hell could you imagine integrating them into bridge underpasses or walk ways? Heck make a semi destructible version and use that for crash bollards. Only a level 5 vegan is going to complain if some allege is spilt.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Like I always think that people don’t get one thing about trees in a city. There purpose is is not about co2. The co2 reduction of city trees is neglectable. The reason you need them in a city is temperature regulation, shade, air quality, mood, the local eco system and maybe solidifying unsealed ground. Putting these tanks in a city is laughably inefficient w.r.t. co2 conversion if you compare this to any effort to do this in instustrial capacity ( which is is also still laughably inefficient)

[–] [email protected] -2 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

So.. are you saying the air inside a city park isn't better at all?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I think there is a difference between air quality (pollution) and co2 levels.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago

CO² isn't want you should be concerned about with air in a city anyway, its the other emissions like particulates. Just being further away from busy roads reduces that significantly so the park air would be better.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago

To be fair, I think it's important to make a distinction between a city park, and a handful of trees lining a busy street.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

They were talking about CO2 which is what the algae tank is about.

Trees have other benefits around filtering pollutants that affect air quality such as sulphur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide. Also the shading effect reduces ozone accumulation as well as generally helping reduce the urban heat island effect (which in turn reduces the amount of air conditioning needed, even a small amount saves energy and reduces pollution from power stations).

City parks have clean air partly because of tree but also because youre away from roads and buildings so further from car exhausts and chimney stacks. The concentration of pollutants in wide open spaces is lower because the wind can move it around more easily, and there isn't a pollution source directly near by. Tree and grass do help too.

By far the most effective way of reducing pollution is reducing the sources. Trees are CO2 sinks and would reduce some CO2 if there was massive reforestation globally but that is outweighed by the ongoing CO2 production. The best solution is clean energy sources and getting rid of combustion engines.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

I wish my garden was big enough for trees. There are quite a few trees in a park behind our house though, my wifi might just about reach the park too. A better access point would reach it easily.

Have wondered if there might be other options for shade. Perhaps some kind of vines on a trellis. But then sometimes you don't want the shade.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Amazing answer, thanks a lot!

Dunno what i'm getting downvotes for

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

I think it's because they mentioned trees improve air quality right there in their comment, and then you responded like you didn't read it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

It is, because of the humidity, temperature and also they remove air pollution. Just not CO2

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 19 hours ago

We can have both trees and this ! Let’s replace the stupid ad spots on bus stops with these 😮

[–] [email protected] 134 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (5 children)

While I don't want to spoil the joke (but I will) and I hate techno-optimist solutions that displace actual solutions for our biosphere as much as the next person: supposedly, Belgrade is such a dense concrete hell that trees aren't viable solution (at least in the short term).

There is some rumbling that liquid trees are not the solution to the real problems caused by large-scale deforestation, nor does it reduce erosion or enrich the soil. However, much of this wrath is misplaced as Liquid tree designers say that it was not made as a replacement for trees but was designed to work in areas where growing trees would be non-viable. Initiatives like Trillion Trees are laudable, but there is something to be said for the true utility of this tiny bioreactor. The fact that they can capture useful amounts of carbon dioxide from day one is another benefit for them. Such bioreactors are expected to become widespread in urban areas around the world as the planet battles rising carbon levels in the atmosphere.

Source

[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

And for people who think that the trillion tree idea is anything else than just the oil lobby running with a feel good solution, I have a great podcast episode for you

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3AZIvnCFvavc9Qfs10XPxW

[–] [email protected] 19 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (7 children)

Spotify doesn't work on my phone. Care to link the podcast page on a platform not trying to corner the market, please?

[–] [email protected] 58 points 19 hours ago

They can thrive in tap water and can withstand temperature extremes.

So maybe they can be used in regions that are too hot for trees, like desert cities

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Can't they just put the algae in the ocean?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

If we put the algae in the oceans, then sink all of our cities underwater, all of our problems will be solved.

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