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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I was permanently banned from the Reddit sub without recourse for posting this despite not breaking any rules. I'm slowly making the migration over thanks to such encouragement.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago

Remembering bees get fed corn syrup, started reading & wow:

Honey adulteration using HFCS was especially rampant in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when it was virtually impossible for regulators to determine that honey had in fact been adulterated (in some cases up to 80%) with HFCS. This practice was so epidemic that the American Beekeeping Federation developed a program of testing suspect honey samples sent in by beekeepers. This was only possible, however, through the efforts of Dr. Jonathon White, who literally came out of retirement to develop a reasonable testing procedure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

all economy of the Empire (aka USA) is a SCAM

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Into fairy tales of old empires

People don't belive anyome

- ELYSIUM, Tanks(translated)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

At least it's labelled. Better than China sneaking sugar syrup into the supply chain without being open about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/mar/26/uk-honey-fails-authenticity-test

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

I worked a contract job at a honey bottling plant in Mich where they would simply take 55 gallon drums of raw honey from all over the world, dump them into a giant tank, churn it up.... then bottle it. That's was it, nothing more nothing less. At one point in the past they used to add water, but they had stopped when I was installing the new mixing system (it was a patent thing). Makes me shake my head to see companies adding anything else to such a simple operation...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Honey is 95 to 99% a solution of a roughly equal proportion of glucose and fructose with other sugars, pollen etc. making up the remainder. HFCS is a solution of ~50 to 55% fructose with the remainder glucose.

TLDR: honey is essentially HFCS with some pollen and a small amount of other sugars mixed in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

People are downvoting a simple, literal fact.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

The other things in honey is what makes the difference. Good honey is a magical thing. But it wouldn't be mixed with anything else. A marker of high quality honey is being single source and single season (similar to single malt whisky).

HFCS has uses - many. But it's not a good substitute for honey if the honey flavour is important. This product is the cheapest honey mixed together and then added to HFCS to push the price down and make the low quality honey more tolerable in taste. There's a market for it only because honey is so expensive.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm okay with the product itself existing. I mean blah blah Americans put corn syrup in everything sure, you're allowed to buy honey and you're allowed to buy corn syrup, you're allowed to mix them in your own kitchen, I'm okay with this substance being allowed on the store shelf.

"Honey Blend" strikes me as one of those FDA required weasel phrases like "processed whey product" or "beef-related substance". You don't usually see the word "blend" on a honey bear bottle, says something's up.

The ingredients are plainly listed.

The nutrition facts are not; you'd have to lick a stamp to learn them, which I hope isn't legal.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Nutritional facts aren't as strictly controlled for small businesses/side businesses.

https://www.fdareader.com/blog/2018/12/11/exemption-from-food-labeling-requirements%EF%BB%BF

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It doesn't seem to be legal in this particular case, however IANAL and may have missed something. What is concerning is that it does seem to be legal in a whole slew of cases that have some pretty big loopholes if that is what you happen to be looking for.

https://foodlabelmaker.com/blog/labeling-regulations/food-sales-without-nutrition-facts/

[+] [email protected] -30 points 10 months ago (5 children)

ITT: a bunch of stolen bee vomit fetishists. Why pay so much money for something weird, gross, and every bit as unhealthy as sugar and corn syrup? Maple syrup (while also unhealthy) tastes way better. And date sugar, whole blended dates, or molasses are healthier alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Healthy and unhealthy are composite binary terms that aren't useful. Specific, contextualized terms are more useful and allow for people to make better choices for the situation.

Maple syrup has considerable benefits as an alternative to HFCS. First, it's glycemic index is lower which results in a decrease in blood glucose levels. On top of that, it appears that it promotes insulation secretion.

Maple syrup is particularly rich in abscisic acid. This acid presents a strong defense against diabetes and metabolic syndrome because it promotes the excretion of insulin from pancreatic cells and boosts fat cells' sensitivity to insulin.

As a whole, in order to reduce ones propensity to diabetes, reduce sugar intake. Then, if further steps are needed and reduction is no longer an option, find appropriate substitutes. From the abstract:

This review presents detailed information about the nutritional, organoleptic, and pharmacological properties of maple syrup. Studies carried out on animal models and a limited number of human models emphasize the potential benefits of maple syrup as a substitute for refined sugars, indicating that it could contribute to improved metabolic health when used in moderation. However, further medical and nutritional health studies based on human health assessments are needed to better understand the mechanisms of action of the various components of maple syrup and its potential therapeutic properties to demonstrate a stronger justification for its consumption relative to refined sugars. In addition, we compare maple syrup and common sweeteners to provide a further critical perspective on the potential nutritional and health benefits of maple syrup.

And the final sentence:

More studies are needed to better understand how much maple syrup could be ingested, as part of a regular diet, to promote these pharmacological properties without triggering obesity or weight-related disorders.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Because of you I just had two slices of bacon and two eggs for breakfast, how does that make you feel? I've also got at least 15 chicken wings and drumsticks in my fridge and a couple racks of beef ribs, along with several wedges of hard and soft cow cheeses. How does that make you feel?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Hungry?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, look, it’s a walking vegan cliché. People like you are why people hate vegans. Save your anger for actual animal abuse.

[+] [email protected] -20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh look, typical carnist cliché is getting offended because someone criticized the weird shit you do.

I didn't see anyone else pointing out how bizarre it is to fetishize bee puke.

And people hate vegans because most people want to believe they're at least "pretty good people", and the very presence of a vegan challenges that belief. If you're offended, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago (19 children)

>And people hate vegans because most people want to believe they’re at least “pretty good people”, and the very presence of a vegan challenges that belief. If you’re offended, maybe it’s time to look in the mirror.

is this even provable? has anyone ever said that's why they, themselves, hate vegans?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

No, he is speaking how he imagines things are. Vegans, like everyone else, can be great people or horrible people. No illusions there.

No amount of veganism makes them better humans.

It's always good for a laugh when a vegan thinks like this though

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Or maaaaybe you just enjoy the smell of your own farts a little too much...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The notion that you can steal from bees is unhinged lmao

[+] [email protected] -13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What's unhinged is people who think they have the right to confine, torture, exploit, rape, murder, and devour the flesh and/or secretions of other animals just because they're different.

Yeah I get that bugs are easy to dismiss because they're tiny, often obnoxious and treated like a nuisance, and less intelligent than other animals. But we're still talking about living beings who have their own subjective experience of life, individuality, and their own agenda. Like all animals they came into this life with us, not for us.

Commodifying living beings is unhinged. And even ignoring the moral side of things, having a preference for bee vomit is unhinged.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The subjective experience of insects is so unbelievably alien from that of humans that trying to anthropomorphize them or compare their existence to that of humans is actually insane. Just by existing as megafauna, you probably kill hundreds or thousands of insects a year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

no one is raping or torturing animals.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Suggesting molasses as an alternative for honey lmao

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