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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

The obvious answer is to autopilot into ICE and Trump Regime officials. Elon pays the fine, the world is ridden of MAGATs, and one less Tesla on the road. D, D, D.

/s.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'd imagine you are always responsible for what you do when you're driving, even if a system like autopilot is helping you drive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

If you are in the drivers seat, you are responsible for anything the car does unless there was a provable mechanical failure.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Especially cause autopilot disengages right before the accident so it's technically always your fault.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Yup gotta read the fine print

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Just let it happen we are all going to die anyway

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In my country it's always your fault. And I'm very glad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Here in the US, even if the driver is found responsible it is often only a small fine ($500) and maybe a 30 day suspension for killing someone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Except the autopilot will modify its data that it was turned off right at the moment it hits people...

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nah, it just disengages a fraction of a second before impact so they can claim "it wasn't engaged at the moment of impact, so not our responsibility."

There were rumours about this for ages, but I honestly didn't fully buy it until I saw it in Mark Rober's vison vs lidar video and various other follow-ups to it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

It not about responsibility, it's about marketing. At no point do they assume responsibility, like any level 2 system. It would look bad if it was engaged, but you are 100% legally liable for what the car does when on autopilot (or the so called "full self driving"). It's just a lane keeping assistant.

If you trust your life (or the life of others) to a a lane keeping assistant you deserve to go to jail, be it Tesla, VW, or BYD.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

It turns off, but it's likely so the AEB system can kick in.

AP and AEB are separate things.

Also all L2 crashes that involve an air bag deployment or fatality get reported if it was on within something like 30s before hand, assuming the OEM has the data to report, which Tesla does.

Rules are changing to lessen when it needs to be reported, so things like fender benders aren't necessarily going to be reported for L2 systems in the near future, but something like this would still be and alway has.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What's AEB? Automatic Energetic Braking?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I'm guessing automatic emergency braking

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ok but if Tesla's using that report to get out from liability, we still've a damn problem

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If it's a L2 system the driver is always liable. The report just makes sure we know it's happening and can force changes if patterns are found. The NHSTA made Tesla improve their driver monitoring based off the data since that was the main problem. The majority of accidents (almost all) were drunk or distracted drivers.

If it's a L4 system Tesla is always liable, we'll see that in June in Austin in theory for the first time on public roads.

The report never changes liability, it just let's us know what the state of the vehicle was for the incident. Tesla can't say the system was off because it was off 1 second before because we'll know it was on prior to that. But that doesn't change liability.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ

I'll admit I haven't actually watched the video yet but here it is

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh. A fine. How will Musk survive that financially?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

He won't be fine...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

In the US its still on you if you have the last clear chance to avoid an accident when you are in the drivers seat. Fun to pay for a billionaires mistakes.

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